Comments on: Inside Free https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:44:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: kelly https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8391 Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:43:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8391 Why should our work be free? If 20% of my reader base approves Insider as way to reward our staff for their hard work, that's the 20% I'll cater to. Readership numbers are irrelevant, since we don't run ads. I want to deliver a self-sustaining model, not squeeze out enough cash to get by with ad spam.

If I was in this for the money, you'd have figured that out a long time ago.

This discussion is over. Good work isn't free. Comments closed.

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By: SPynO https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8375 Fri, 07 Jan 2011 02:35:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8375 Hello Quiet Speculation Staff,

it's not uncommon for a previously free site to lose 80% of their visitors when becoming 'freemium'. That's something you should now (and it doesn't help providing free articles or good reasons to buy).

What you could do is providing a way for people who really like your stuff to donate to QS. That's how wikipedia works.

You have said that the community is strong but still a niche market, so you will have to work with your fans (people loving QS) instead of trying to please everybody.

Plus, 60$ a year also seems more attractive thant 5$ a month.

My two cents.

SPynO

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By: Eyes going elsewhere https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8362 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:53:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8362 In reply to @MTGstephenmoss.

I mean, think of this like a trade. It's nothing personal, you just overvalue your articles (from my perspective). You know my/our price; if you can't meet it, we don't come to an agreement, and the trade falls through. Oh well, too bad.

I should add that I would probably buy articles a la carte, however. I don't know how well that integrates with your subscription model, but I figured it couldn't hurt to give you a little more information about a potential customer's needs/wants. Heck, I'll even give it to you free ;D

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By: Eyes going elsewhere https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8361 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:46:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8361 In reply to @MTGstephenmoss.

I'm pretty good about correctly valuing cards, so I'm haven't been making $5 more than I would have anyway.

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By: the last troll https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8355 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:40:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8355 Good arguments all around. See you around, guys. Good luck.

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By: Kelly Reid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8333 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:27:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8333 I have no plans of implementing outside advertising for Quiet Speculation.

I’d rather lose readers than spam banner ads.

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By: @MTGstephenmoss https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8332 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 02:11:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8332 Please correct me if I have this wong, but I am hearing that using all of our combined weekly articles, tips, strategies, and suggestions you're not making an extra $5 a month? In this weeks article I put out a list of 13 cards that are probably gathering dust in your binder. If you were to sell one of each of those cards, you're looking at almost $35, Even if you had to trade for them at half sell value you would still make almost 17.50 in profit. Thats 3 1/2 months of insider. 3 1/2 more months of articles, tips, suggestions, and help to make you more money from a single article. If you made $10 of profit per article you read, which is not an unreasonable asumption, thats $50 a week. In two weeks you've made enough money to pay for a year of insider and pay for quite a few FNM entries.

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By: FateCreatr https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8330 Thu, 06 Jan 2011 00:52:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8330 In reply to douglaslinn.

I'd like to also point that there are a total of 223,026 people to ever, in the history of time, register a DCI number. There's no way to figure out how many Magic players beyond these registered players who have ever played in a sanctioned event and that could be potential readers, nor how many of those registered players are either duplicates or inactive. A reliable source told me that only a small fraction of that number play actively (about 1/5th). I can however confidently say that in order to run solely as an add supported site we would need to have more than every Magic player in the world read our site ever month.

The Magic community is pretty strong (and growing) but it's still a niche market with a comparatively small number of eyes by internet standards.

All that said, if anyone out there has good suggestions which are significantly less vague then "host ads instead" we'd love to hear them. I'd even be receptive to "hey how about some free finance articles too" etc, but most people who suggest ads instead haven't looked into that economy very closely. If you have any feedback, ideas, complaints, thoughts, spare change, you can send them all to us. I'll ask that the submissions from the comment form be CC'd to me, and I'll try to address them all specifically.
http://www.quietspeculation.com/contact-us/

Chris

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By: douglaslinn https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8327 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:41:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8327 In reply to sedge troll.

I ran the numbers; we'd need between 312,000-880,000 unique visitors per month to pay for the site's budget if we went ad-only. Banners aren't the only way to advertise, but about all ads pay the same amount (which is measured by CPM).

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By: sedge troll https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8324 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:08:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8324 Banners are not the only way to sell advertising. You guys are really smart and I know you'll be able to think of something when the time comes to try another approach. I'd probably pay an annual membership of about $20.

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By: Eyes going elsewhere https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8323 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:04:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8323 I'd be willing to pay for content, but that price is higher than I can justify.

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By: Doug https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8309 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:43:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8309 Ads don’t work.

You guys might find this helpful:

http://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/adventures-in-freemium/

Also, if QS generates more than $5 a month in savings for you as a player, it makes sense to pick it up. If you don’t make $5 a month on it, you aren’t using our lessons or our lessons suck. Let me know which one it is : )

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By: Synthoras https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8302 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:04:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8302 I loved this place…
It seems I will have to go find anotherone since I am not really willing to spend so much on articles I read not to make money but to enjoy the finacial aspect of the game…

Put some adds and don't charge for content!

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By: Guest https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8301 Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:29:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8301 Charging $5 a month as a "discounted" price is ridiculous. Even with the 5% discount, a user will have to spend $95 a month just to justify the discount and this doesn't make any sense when the goal is to save money. $60 a year is too much for something like this.

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By: ascetic troll https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/01/inside-free/#comment-8274 Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:58:25 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=7736#comment-8274 I never came to this site for strategy content and I'm not about to start now just because the content I actually wanted to read has a pay wall in front of it. Sell ads before charging admission, it's how the internet works.

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