Comments on: Investing In Innistrad https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:33:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Renton https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-26210 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:33:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-26210 So did ya tape that nocturnus on your chest yet?

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By: Gary https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-23671 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-23671 The set symbol makes me think of Jester's Cap. Maybe it's just me, but that was the first card I thought of what I saw it.

I'd love to see Baron Sengir as a planeswalker, although I think the reprint of Sengir Vamp in 2012 might lean away from the vamp idea for Innistrad a bit. Why hold Nocturnus back for Innistrad, but print an old-school iconic card like Sengir vamp in 2012? Just strikes me as a little odd.
The whole werewolf idea is intriguing (Lycanthropy anyone?), but I swear to god if I see a Sparkling Vampire in Innistrad, I'm punchin' someone lol (j/k about punching someone, but seriously, screw Twilight lol)

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By: Bryan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-22971 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:43:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-22971 Its "Horror Lies Within" which could mean a lot of things. My bets on withing deep in the ocean. So maybe some big monsters, but i have no clue that's just my guess on it.

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By: Jose T https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-21340 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:28:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-21340 In reply to Live from Innistrad.

Like Bad moon? 😀

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By: Brian https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-20190 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:39:25 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-20190 You had me really confused with your speculation right up to the connection with Baron Sengir. If you read the lore and make some connections, Nocturnus Vampires ARE a type of the Baron’s Sengir tribe. So I was thinking, No way, but you make a point. If this is the Baron’s home, Nocturnus would be an excellent addition to the set, especially if the Baron himself is a planeswalker.

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By: alex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-18415 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:01:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-18415 I find it likely that vampires will be in Innistrad because of the inclusion of Blood Lord of Vaasgoth in M12. Now, I have a number of reasons for this: Firstly, we have no idea where Vaasgoth is, but wherever it is it clearly has enough vampires to warrant some sort of hierarchy as this guy has a title. Also, including a place in a core set we've never heard of might be an indication we'll see more of it in future sets shortly.

Secondly, he's a mythic rare, and one of the few mythics in M12 to not be a reprint (as Inferno titan is confirmed (which basically means so are the rest) and at least two planeswalkers have been confirmed as reprints, with the other three seeming likely). Granted, for a lot of people the walkers are still chase cards, and the titans doubly so, but I'd be kinda shocked if the only chase mythics Wizards printed in M12 were reprints.

Thirdly, there is the fact that he is a tribal leader at mythic. The strong vampire sub-theme in M12 does not validate a tribal leader at mythic by its self, a rare one for sure, but not really a mythic, mythic slots are usually reserved for cards expected to dominate the meta game (granted a few exceptions exist such as time reversal). Without more vamps in standard Blood lord of Vaasgoth will barely see standard play, and definitely not in decks that dominate the format.

Finally, it seems to me like Wizards is trying to make vampires viable in extended play. With 3 core sets in a row featuring vampire lords, two of them at mythic rating and the other a rare, and this 3rd one coming as the zendikar vampires are about to phase out of standard.

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By: Wayne Padgette https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-18412 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:04:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-18412 Vampires may have “just been done” in the Zendikar block, but look very carefully at the SoM block…almost zero in the form of vampires.

OK, now, consider that there is a bit more than just telling a story when it comes to making a block of cards. There is mechanics, and, well, no insult to the folks at Wizards…but there is BUSINESS. And, vampire decks are quite popular in standard right now thanks to Zendikar. But, when Innistrad comes out, a lot of those vampires go “poof”.

So…does that guarantee that vampires will be in Innistrad? No, it doesn’t. In fact, there will be a nice new crop of suck-heads coming in M12 (just check out the plethora of spoiler pages, Sorin has a rather toothy crew coming with him). Now…will Liliana be a vampiress, or a zombie queen? Me, personally, I tend to think of her as more zombiish, as her end game is to reanimate everyone else’s dead and beat them over the head with them. Sounds more like a necromancer than a vampiress.

Do I have a problem with Vampires making a startling resurrection in Standard? Nope. In fact, I am following quite intently, as I have plans for a Standard Sucker Deck myself.

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By: Kris https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-16866 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:37:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-16866 All good ideas and I'd like to see monsters for every color but can I get some demons people?

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By: Jarred https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-16681 Sun, 29 May 2011 21:53:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-16681 Some people are also speculating on a revisit to ravnica. Especially as some of the leaked m12 cards show bloodthirst, which was the gruul mechanic. We really have no proof that vampires will even show in this set. Liliana isn't a vampire, and a whole block dedicated to one tribe seems a bit much.

"Horror Lurks Within" could be ironic, and we could get a whole block dedicated to bunnies and rainbows and unicorns. Maybe we need to wait for m12 to make these card speculations. What if they decide to reprint nocturnus in that set?
Also, they usually like to put some cards that will work with the next block in the core set. No one would buy it if they didnt. Thats my 2 cents, im just not sure vampires are whats going to be in innistrad. i could be wrong though.

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By: Jason https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-16585 Sat, 28 May 2011 20:14:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-16585 I would love for Cycling to be as good as it was when Astral Slide & Lightning Rift were around. Especially if we had Eternal Witness back. And Venser would combo nicely as the planeswalker for a slide deck.

But since it was in shards here is my guess of more likely mechanics.

Future Sight mechanics that make sense-

Delve
Gravestorm

Other noteworthy mechanics-

Dredge

Transmute- Perhaps a card that can do something in your grave so you would want to transmute it even more. Kind of like an incentive to cycle Viscera Dragger.

Threshold
Flashback
Madness

Perhaps a Delve Threshold contrast to make players think durring draft

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By: Dennis B. Gonzaga https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-16278 Mon, 23 May 2011 11:29:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-16278 If the new set is indeed packing some gothic horror flavor, i sure hope that they feature some really good vampire cards. Here's how I picture the color-based creature distribution.

Black – Vampires (obviously)
Green – Werewolves
Blue – Liches
Red – Frankenstein monster-inspired creatures
White – Ghosts

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By: matt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-15846 Tue, 17 May 2011 02:32:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-15846 In reply to Peter.

here's to hoping

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By: Gargleplex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-15071 Sun, 01 May 2011 03:46:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-15071 In reply to D. Mantel.

Check out the Day of Judgement flavor text. I think that's what he was referring to.

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By: Pat A https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-14907 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:20:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-14907 In reply to D. Mantel.

Didn't Nissa planeswalk to go find Sorin to drag back and help?

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By: Grimlockisking https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-14878 Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:48:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-14878 I had an idea for a lycan sort of based theme in the set. You would have Lycan monsters that put a "Lycan" counter on the creature they damage (if none are used to block or are blocked then no counters on players) and once said creature has Lycan counters equal or greater to their Toughness they gain the "Lycan" creature type as well as their subtypes. Add in a Legend or other cards that work around Lycans….BOOM! Instant fun aggro/control. The creatures could be R/G to represent the primal ferocity that Lycans and werewolves are known for in fantasy, could even have a legend for each color that are the Alpha Male and Female. Just a thought…and a hope 😀

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By: Christo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-13120 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:58:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-13120 If we're taking bets on Future Sight mechanics showing up, I'm thinking we'll see "Transfigure" on some uncommons and rares perhaps. And while I hadn't considered the implications of a Vampire plane, the set's expansion symbol reminds me a lot of morph, almost like the motion that would occur when a creature un-morphs. (Recall the Onslaught expansion symbol) Also, the set's teaser – "Horror lurks WITHIN" – further lends itself to the assumption. Guess we just have to wait =P

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By: Live from Innistrad https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-12650 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:03:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-12650 I’ve forgotten the name(i believe its bad moon), but considering a vamp heavy gothic set is in the works, i can’t imagine a more opportune time to reprint black’s version of Honor Of The Pure.

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By: VedalkenWizard https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-12421 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:42:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-12421 If they were going to include something from Future Sight, my money would be on Fateseal. It's like Scrying, but with your opponent's library instead of your own. This ability would be appropriate in a gothic horror setting, because it makes it seem like dark spirits are trying to set you down a path of misery and despair. 😀

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By: Peter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-12352 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 05:06:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-12352 Tarmogoyf?!!

Lol

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By: Andrew https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/03/investing-in-innistrad/#comment-12351 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:37:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=11330#comment-12351 But yeah…I want to see Patrician's Scorn printed, that'd be so boss. Tawdry kitsch for the WIN

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