Comments on: Mental Misstep Leads to Record Low Tide https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Wed, 08 Jun 2011 20:21:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: @fatecreatr https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-17526 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:19:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-17526 In reply to @torerotutor.

Feel free and link back to this article and talk up the predictions.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-17523 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:03:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-17523 I doubt anyone references these articles now, but Current SCG buy price on Vial=$6. On Candelabra, $100.

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By: @JoshJMTG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14790 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:08:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14790 In reply to Doug.

Heartbeat seems far superior for the simple reason that you can pair it with Explore and/or Xantid Swarm. I don't know how you fit all that in though.

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By: Doug https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14784 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:35:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14784 In reply to stu55.

I see High Tide immediately incorporating Free Peek. I've already made the cuts to my list for where to put it. The information edge is hugely valuable, especially when you're seeing if the aggro opponent is being tricksy and running Mindbreak Trap from the board.

Curiously enough, I have also not ruled out running Mana Flare/<3beat off the Tide sideboard.

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By: Doug https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14783 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:34:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14783 In reply to @JoshJMTG.

But Misstep on the sideboard is sooooo bad compared to REB. Reb hits 11/12ths of spells in High Tide.

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By: @valorale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14782 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:33:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14782 Dont really see much of a chance in Candelabra dropping more than 10% from its current price tag. The best example I can show is P3K cards such as Imperial Recruiter or The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale. In the past 6 months on SCG, Imperial Recruiter has had 1 good showing. Tabernacle has had a few more but is rarely run as more than a 1 of. Despite this they command their high price tags.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14777 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:47:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14777 In reply to stu55.

I think this supports the reasoning. If high tide is forced to run misstep also, its losing a whole card slot, which is devastating to the reliability of the combo. If they aren't, countering a candelabra on the draw is pretty sick on turn 1. Decks that run misstep can cut some number of dazes. Having access to the counter on the draw is a huge advantage, and without the tempo loss even when you're on the play. It's clear we disagree here, I'm not expecting to convince you, just you brought up a good point I wanted to address.

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By: stu55 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14773 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 03:32:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14773 In reply to Doug.

Turns out, they have FoW as well, I don't see this decking hating out anything. 4 Candles/4 High Tide/4 Fow vs 4 Fow/4Mishap….i wonder what wins…card will be played cause it is good, but to see it hate out any one deck, I don't think so. It also replaces a card in the main deck of decks, so that could make some matchups worse too. Double-edge sword

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By: @JoshJMTG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14766 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 00:27:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14766 In reply to Doug.

Zoo would board out Path to Exile for Misstep, and Goblins would board out Gempalm.

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By: Doug https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14764 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 23:55:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14764 I'm all about High Tide and I don't really see this doing much to it. The opponent has to be running the card and have it in their hand when I want to go off. If they stop that Tide, I can find another Tide before they can get another Misstep, since my deck has 4 of Ponder, Brainstorm, Merch, plus Meditate and Preordain. Is Zoo going to legitimately run Misstep? Goblins? What do they cut for it? What if I start my first turn leading off with Xantid Swarm?

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14753 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:42:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14753 In reply to @JoshJMTG.

Totally fair, no doubt misstep will be in tons of decks, and missteps will be fighting other missteps too. Again, a large part of my reasoning is that the online retailers are over stocked on them at the moment. I don't doubt that Merfolk and goblins will maintain some popularity.

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By: @JoshJMTG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14749 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:21:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14749 The problem with the idea of this bringing down Vial prices is that it goes directly into a Vial deck: Merfolk.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14748 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:48:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14748 In reply to chasandres.

Thanks Chas- Certainly knew i was putting my neck out there with the Vial call. I still like it though. Ultimately, SCG and others will want to move the hundreds of them they have in stock, and it has to come down to do so… Perhaps i'll be proved wrong on that one, we'll see.

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By: @paul_miller https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14745 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:42:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14745 In reply to stu55.

high tide is already seeing hate, but a free hard counter that stops the decks crucial spells. Stops tide and candleabra. Someone will attempt to run it at GP providence, scrub out nad prices will take a hit.
im expecting the sticks to almost halve in price in a few months

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By: chasandres https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14740 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:24:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14740 I liked this article because it's the right type of thinking.

I don't agree that it will affect the price of Vial, though. Card is too popular in "budget" decks and aggro as a whole.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14737 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:30:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14737 In reply to Steve Mock.

i think this is a really good idea! I'll pass the suggestion to Kelly, if he doesn't notice it here.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14736 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:15:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14736 In reply to @the_toMatto.

Yeah, i dont think aether vial will fade to oblivion, but the fact that online retailers already have a GRIP in stock, is a big part of my prediction, the new counterspell isn't going to make anyone switch INTO a vial deck. They wont move any for a while, and the price will come down until they sell.

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By: @the_toMatto https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14735 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:10:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14735 In reply to @torerotutor.

Honestly, I'd love to see it shut down High Tide. And I agree with the Aether Vail call. People are still going to play the card, though.

At best, it stops vial, Top, 1cc creatures… at worst, it's FoW bait.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14734 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:52:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14734 In reply to @the_toMatto.

The only archetype that gets completely shut down is High Tide. The others will be present, but certain staples just wont be as good, like Aether Vial.

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/04/mental-misstep-leads-to-record-low-tide/#comment-14733 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:48:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=12716#comment-14733 In reply to @torerotutor.

oh yeah, and i'll also stand behind my aether vial call. 🙂

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