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Magic is a competitive hobby and if you want to compete at a high level you need to find a way to do it. Complaining about these cards would be like me joining a basketball league and then complaining because I'm in flip-flops but everyone else has tennis shoes so they run faster and jump higher. Or trying to get pebble beach closed because I can't afford to play there. It is just a ridiculous argument.

If you want a more varied standard format then WOTC needs to print better manabases (even though they are pretty good right now) to allow 3 and 4 color decks to compete without the need for lotus cobra. Banning cards won't solve anything.

"Since when has a deck dominating Standard become the reason to ban a card?"
Since 1999
MoM, half the deck was banned, Dream Halls, Mind over Matter, Time Spiral, Tolarian Academy, and Windfall.
Broken Jar, banned memory jar.
Survival/Recur, Recurring Nightmare banned.
Fluctuator, itself
And then again in 2005
Ravanger affinity, artifact lands and disciple banned.

All had a fraction of caw blade's results and tournament play before banning.

WotC wont ban cards because they refuse to admit imbalances now. Bitterblossom was a card that was often brought up by R&D, they were really shaky about making it produce faerie rogues and not just rogues. It never was officially "under watch", but they repeatedly stated that they took it's tournament results seriously. Great sable stag was introduced as a band-aid fix, a card that forced players to answer one particular card with another, a silver bullet if you will. If you ever had a chance to play the original star wars tcg you would see several of these per set as Decipher felt it was better to force players to play rock paper scissors with select power cards making a large number of the pool next to useless. We see this again with obstinate baloth answering blightning, although Jund was essentially put into it's place once eldrazi constription entered the fray. NPH contains no card that out classes caw blade, perhaps M12 will bring another green card that does something to make Jace less appealing?

I hate how the whole "mythics are bad" and "price of standard" derails the ban Jace argument, card demand does bring attention but can't properly demonstrate game mechanics. I own 4 of just about everything, I go to FNM's and beat small children and casuals and walk away with product, it compensates for my time having to endure mouth breathers while I defend my rating. I paid a lot of money for my cards, and I don't believe the "not fair for those that spent money" brew ha ha has any bearing. The secondary market doesn't dictate WotC's ability to ban cards. WotC doesn't set prices, the market does.

It's of the up most importance that we not only blast, but nuke WotC, their PR these past several months have been next to non existent outside of pre-release notes.

MBC of the moment? MBC hasn't been a real deck since torment. Tempered steel decks are flimsy without tempered steel resolving, any deck that resolves at least one enchantment removal, counter, or doj essentially shuts it down, every U/W deck from the past 11 years run all 3 of those things.

I agree with this. Banning Titan shuts down MANY decks. Banning Valakut only kills one of them…

Since when has Standard been a bastion of deck creativity and ingenuity? As I recall, the big anti-Jund movement involved dropping Black for White, and called it a new deck.

Banning cards in Standard is ludicrous for two reasons: First, Standard will always have a top dog. And while the results are occasionally extreme, it always works that way. A smaller card pool and rotation means that top 8's will always feature at most 4 decks in them.

Second, cards naturally ban themselves from Standard. Why ban three of the most expensive cards in Standard and drive away all the players who lost hundreds of dollars from one ban announcement in order to have the environment be just as stale as it ever was? If you ban those three cards, what then? Do you ban Goblin Guide to stop the inevitable rise of aggro again? Or Splinter Twin, when it starts dominating Standard?

I own 1 Jace, having sold my others to make money on them while I could, 4 Stoneforges, bought long ago because it's not like it took a brain surgeon to realize how good that was going to be by the end of the block, and I have access to 4 Primeval Titans, which I'll pretty much never play because Valakut is the most boring deck ever. I'm not defending Cawblade because I play the deck and steal packs from FNM kids playing Kuldotha Red.

I'm just saying that if your choice is to spend your money playing Standard, then you should make an informed choice. Standard always has been and always will be like this. Banning cards in it makes no difference. It just changes the names attached to the decks in GP top 8's.

The only exception to that comes at the start of a block. If you have to deal with the card for 9 months or more, then the argument to ban something is more appropriate. The new sets can't handle the power of the earlier card, sales flag, and the environment is stale for a long time. Cawblade hasn't dominated for nearly the length of time as Jund, and it will probably only equal Valakut.

Also, it's disingenuous to blast WotC as though they're Scrooge McDuck sitting on their pile of money and laughing while their players writhe in agony as though they're slavemasters, bending us to their will. Of course they care what happens to the environment, and of course they want to do what's best for the game. If they don't, you quit playing, and they don't make any more money.

The difference is that they have other factors to consider than what beat them at a tournament last weekend. The players don't. Innistrad will bring back the players lost because of Jace's power level. Innistrad will not bring back the players who took a bath from the banning of Jace.

I'm going to get a jump on the bandwagon and start my cries for "ban (monoblack control card of the moment)" and "ban Tempered Steel" now.

@MtgVeteran: "WotC will never ban a card in standard ever again." I fear this is correct though that thought scares me quite a bit. My point on Primeval Titan was that if he was still in the format, the format would still be boring and stale because the format would revolve around either playing that card or beating that card, just like it is now. Yes there are plenty of ways to beat it usually, but no format should consist of play this card or build to beat it.

@2moreCents: The economy being low is part of why Jace needs to be banned. If you remove him from the metagame, suddenly there are plenty of decks that affordable to build again. He is the sole reason in my opinion that Standard is so expensive. No other card even comes close.

Thanks for all the comments, spread the word.

WotC will never ban a card in standard ever again. We saw this diluted confidence last year when most of R&D was very proud that the only card that needed to be banned in extended was top and it was out the door.

It's sickening that they believe they are beyond human error now. Most of the imbalances we see are from multiple designer's creations blending almost flawlessly to create a power creep that is near combo winter/black summer.

We have Jace, which is essentially Jitte, in the sense you either play it to win, or you play it to counter itself. You have Stoneforge, where you are right, can go toe to toe with tarmogoyf, a card WotC has apologized for. And then you have equipment that outclasses all but 3 of their predecessors.

I'm glad that all these new cards are keeping legacy fresh and alive, but it's killing standard, people don't show up to tournaments, it's starting to feel a lot like Mirrodin again, cept I'm on the other end of the spectrum and play the big bad, but I'm just as unhappy.