Comments on: What Would You Do? https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 03:00:29 +0000 hourly 1 By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16180 Fri, 20 May 2011 22:49:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16180 Thanks for the input everyone. I'm about to leave to go to FNM, and chances are I'll end up making him a decent deal (giving up a few dollars myself), and try not to mention the incident unless he brings it up. I appreciate the opinions, and it's given me a good range of options to work with.

Thanks!

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16154 Fri, 20 May 2011 14:01:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16154 I like option 1. Just trade straight across, not because you owe it to him, but because he's your friend as you stated. If he's you're friend you certainly don't want to hose him on /every/ trade, but you also don't want to directly compensate him for the Tombstalker. I have a friend who complains to me weekly about, "What SCG did to him." They, apparently, waited until he specifically, got out of Legacy, to start SCG opens and drive Legacy prices up. When people feel like they missed out on financial opportunity, they'll blame anyone but themselves. Now that he doesn't feel at fault, he can move on, but I doubt he blames you as much as you might think. Just swallow it, move on, and just make a friendly trade with him to keep the relationship as positive for both parties as possible.

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By: @adamzak https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16152 Fri, 20 May 2011 13:46:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16152 Obviously a situation where there's no black and white solution. I work in sales and when an issue like this comes up it falls back on the relationship I have with the individual customer. There's a lot of talk about building "goodwill", but goodwill is only good so far as you can turn it into value later on. That's not necessarily monetary value. If he lets you borrow decks, or tells people that you're a fair trader, this has it's own value.

It sounds from your post, this is someone worth maintaining a strong relationship with. I'd suggest some measure of recompense. I would certainly not give back the card, or make any trade that puts you negative overall. Fact of the matter is the deal was made given the knowledge available at the time and no one is at fault. However, on the follow-up trade offer an extra throw-in. I'd say of extra value equal to half of what you gained on the first one. This closes the gap to something easier to swallow without having wasted your time.

Basically it sends the message, I didn't mean to screw you and I feel kinda bad about it, I want to make it up to you, but this was your mistake too, I didn't force you to make the trade.

Keeping strong relationships with your clients is important, but letting them walk all over you can have far worse repercussions then letting them walk away.

Looking forward to hearing how decide to move forward.

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By: Wade https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16122 Fri, 20 May 2011 03:29:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16122 A lot of interesting different views on this topic. I don't feel like you are going to find a perfect solution, because one doesn't exist. Ultimately he is upset over the fact he feels you took advantage of him. You clearly didn't and he should have known the value of his cards. OR you probably had the option of looking anything up. I know when I trade if someone says do you want to look this up to be sure (about a card they want from me) if I say "Nah don't worry about it I'm cool with it either way" that I may lose or make money in that situation. You apologized and tried to fix it, there is ultimately nothing more you can do. He will get over it or he won't.

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By: MtgVeteran https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16121 Fri, 20 May 2011 02:55:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16121 Way to many people out there that think they should be catered to because they take little to no time investing the same amount of time and energy studying the market. Not only should you not placate to this, you should remind him to study before his tests not after. Doing nothing, or simply giving into his ignorance only hurts you as a value trader.

The fact that some people think they can act this way without any repercussions is appalling.

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By: Kyle Steele https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16116 Fri, 20 May 2011 00:09:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16116 Trade straight. Emotionally, he’s over it. If you give back the Tombstalker or trade away the three dollar difference in your second trade, you won’t fix the bad feeling he had. You’ll only reinforce it.

He felt angry, not because you deceived him, but because he thinks it’s wrong to trade for value. If you don’t agree with him, stand up for yourself. You were honest and he consented. We’re all adults here.

It’s not your trading reputation that takes a hit in this exchange; it’s his. His reputation now reads: “I want a takeback clause in my trades and I’ll cry foul if I decide later that I don’t like the trade.”

Your relationship with him will best be repaired through future honest trades, not by giving him appeasing gifts you don’t think he deserves.

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By: kelly https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16115 Thu, 19 May 2011 23:52:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16115 This guy is annoying.

A) $8 vs $5 vs $3 isn't a massive ripoff. It's a question of a few bucks. The fact that you owned up to the mistake should have been enough.

B) When someone apologises to you for making a mistake, just accept the apology and get on with your life. This guy is sitting around holding a grudge, all butt-hurt, about a friggin' tombstalker.

C) Refusing to trade with you then waving a card you need in your face is bush league. Don't bother trading with this idiot.

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By: @valorale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16095 Thu, 19 May 2011 19:15:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16095 Go with option 1; trade straight across.

If he had gripes about your previous trade, the time to seek a correction on it was the next time he saw you. He was in a strong position as it was the first chance he had to express his displeasure of the trade and the first chance you had to explain yourself. The correct thing to do if you wanted to do right by the guy was to make another trade slightly in his favor.

But he passed on that opportunity and seemed like he wanted to be bitter about it instead. At that point I feel he surrendered his claim to have grievances redressed.

Either you fix it or go home and sulk. He chose option 2.

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16083 Thu, 19 May 2011 14:42:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16083 Regardless of what you end up doing about the trade, you should definitely update in next weeks article. Nice article. A few different topics but quite a good read.

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By: Stric9 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16079 Thu, 19 May 2011 13:08:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16079 I haven't read the entire article yet, just the introduction and the quandary you're in. As a trader, I'm of the "every man of himself" calibre. However, when it comes to friends, I do not practice the same way. Sadly, it sounds like your friend, misperceived your intentions for whatever reasons and is unfairly placing blame on your shoulders. Honestly, it's his fault that he's trading around cards without understanding their value. That's his mistake as, what sound likes, an up and coming trader. However, given the fact that he is a friend of yours, I would attempt to reiterate that it was not your intention to snipe him and that you'd like to even the trade. If it was anyone else, I would walk away.

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By: R. Mark Slack https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16073 Thu, 19 May 2011 12:05:11 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16073 Start the trade off by handing him back the Tombwalker. No harm, no foul, let it go. Do not ask for a replacement, just let it go. Say something like ‘just a game, man, take it’ It was a throw-in anyway, which means by returning it you’re only down a very few $$ in the original trade. Maybe enough for lunch? So u just bought him McDonalds because you’re such a nice guy.

Anyway, then trade as normal for the Kira and watch him give youb a great deal on it for being cool. Probably enough to make up your loss. Or if he just takes it and walks off, at least your karma is repaired. Karma will follow you to the next trade as well.

Set it free. If what you’re saying is true, you just wanted a throw-in and he handed you a meal ticket. Correct his mistake, humbly take the loss on the original trade, and the good will you just purchased will pay off in tangible and intangible ways.

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By: Yahveh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16064 Thu, 19 May 2011 08:20:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16064 Thanks for the update. Makes me glad I sold my mystics for 18 each a few weeks ago to the local store

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By: ertaislament https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16054 Thu, 19 May 2011 05:39:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16054 I Second what q said. It soulds like you get intangible continuing value out of a good relationship with this person- borrowing decks is no small perk- and continuing that relationship is well worth your loss of a couple bucks in cardboard.

Plus if others see him refuse to trade with you, that can hurt your reputation too. Don't look at the couple bucks throw-in as a loss, but rather an investment. But I'd reiterate your position, which he's more likely to accept once he's been bribed back into line.

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By: q1006662 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/05/what-would-you-do/#comment-16053 Thu, 19 May 2011 05:24:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=14753#comment-16053 I say trade for the Kira as usual, but also throw in a card to patch things up. I would be clear to him that you're throwing in an extra card because you're a nice guy, don't want him to get the wrong impression, not out to shark him, etc… You'll still be up on the trade, and it seems like a small price to pay to maintain good relations with people that you will see again.

I know you don't want to do this every time you come out ahead on a trade, but I can't imagine this sort of thing happening often 😀

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