Comments on: After the Bannings https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:20:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Gus https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18700 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:20:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18700 In reply to BrookGD.

Simply saying "we made a mistake" and not doing anything is not what we're talking about. It is the fact that they are refusing to fix it that pisses us off. They have the power to simply fix any & all problems in standard, yet refuse to do anything.

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By: BrookGD https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18686 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:47:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18686 A number of posts have mentioned the need for Wizards to admit their mistake and suck it up. The fact is Wizards has done so already. I have seen a number of R and D members say similar things, but the quote I remember is from Aaron Forsythe, who said "we know this is the worst we've screwed up since Mirrodin."

Wizards is aware that a large number of their customers are unhappy and believe standard is broken and have repeatedly expressed they understand this and are trying to figure out the best course of action from here. They are not ignorant of the popular sentiment and are not trying to avoid responsibility, for which they should be commended.

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By: Glenn https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18682 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:12:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18682 I think that if Wizards does ban anything Monday, it'll be SFM. Jace is their poster-boy and doesn't by himself break the game. SFM, on the other hand, is cheap and tutors to find the best answer for the situation at hand. Batterskull may be seen as the killer equipment but Sword of War and Peace is almost as hard to deal with and many times will kill you faster than Batterskull. Even without these 2 pieces of equipment, between Sword of Feast and Famine, Sword of Body and Body and Mind, Mortarpod, Basilisk Collar, and the soon to be released Swiftfoot Boots the Mystic can find something to beat almost any deck or to put them so far ahead that if the opponent does find an answer it'll be too late. The Mystic's ability to flash out the equipment and save some mana just adds to the problem of simply tutoring for them. Jace, on the other hand, costs 4 mana, doesn't tutor, can't be cast before the opponent has counter mana usually, and can't attack or block. He's powerful but not broken, and I'm not just saying that just so I can play him. I don't even own any and am not about to spend $90-$100 each for a Standard legal card. I've been saying since Besieged that SFM was the real problem card with Standard and now that New Phyrexia is out it's just gotten worse. SFM is like Survival of the Fittest in that it just gets better with each set that gets released and will always do broken things in any format it's legal in. Wizards needs to suck it up and admit that they're human and made a mistake, even if this puts them in an awkward position due to the event decks they're releasing. To do anything less will probably just result in tournament attendance dropping until October and possibly lower sales as a result.

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By: Kevin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18658 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:22:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18658 it is interesting to see vamps take down 2 recent SCG opens, and the latest one had 1. Vamps, 2. Mono-red, 3. Caw-Blade, 4. K-red. But most likely this is a small flux in the metagame shift as caw-blade players have been metagaming for mirror-matches for months, and along comes aggro to to take advantage. However, as much as people like to compare this to Jund or whatever, there hasn't been a deck as dominating in standard since affinity. Jund was beaten plenty, its just that it was super easy to play so everyone did.

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By: Mike https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18638 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:41:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18638 If we need *something* to get banned, I think the correct target is Batterskull.

SFM and Caw w/o Batterskull is still "really good", but it's not broken. If we have brews starting to contend w/ Caw as it stands right now, then removing the Batterskull interaction begins to repair the lost parity.

Jace, as well, is "really good", but not broken. And we all should agree that SFM is only as good as the equipment that she can fetch.

What's good about the Batterskull ban is that we can do that until October and then unban it once we lose SFM. If we ban SFM or Jace, then a lot of people will lose out on cards that they may have tried very hard to acquire. If someone traded his ass off to trade up into a playset of Jaces, I think they should get to continue to play them for the next few months.

I'm not a Jace player myself, but I think a Jace ban is going to piss more people off than it's going to make happy. Same goes for SFM — which is also a 2-of in an event deck (which is one of the reasons why I firmly believe that SFM isn't even on the table for banning).

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By: BrookGD https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18573 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:31:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18573 In reply to Zach.

I agree, as I said I don't think they will ban anything, and I don't think anything needs to be banned. Still, as I was saying with the final quote, its good to prepare before the bannings happen.

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By: BrookGD https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18572 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:30:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18572 In reply to MtgVeteran.

I disagree with your statement that "they believe they are beyond human error now." Multiple people from wizards have acknowledged that there is a problem with current standard. Aaron Forsythe himself said that "we know this is the worse we've screwed up since Mirrodin."

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By: MtgVeteran https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18570 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:14:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18570 WotC will never ban a card in standard ever again. We saw this diluted confidence last year when most of R&D was very proud that the only card that needed to be banned in extended was top and it was out the door.

It's sickening that they believe they are beyond human error now. Most of the imbalances we see are from multiple designer's creations blending almost flawlessly to create a power creep that is near combo winter/black summer.

We have Jace, which is essentially Jitte, in the sense you either play it to win, or you play it to counter itself. You have Stoneforge, something that can go toe to toe with tarmogoyf, a card WotC has apologized for. And then you have equipment that outclasses all but 3 of their predecessors.

I'm glad that all these new cards are keeping legacy fresh and alive, but it's killing standard, people don't show up to tournaments, it's starting to feel a lot like Mirrodin again, cept I'm on the other end of the spectrum and play the big bad, but I'm just as unhappy.

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By: Zach https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/06/after-the-bannings/#comment-18558 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:10:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=16559#comment-18558 I would be very disappointed if they banned anything. They haven't banned anything in years, nothing when Jund was huge, or when Faeries was huge. I don't really see the need for it now. But this article has some good direction if it does happen.

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