Comments on: The Horrors of Drafting Innistrad: From FNM to Pro, The Genre’s Gone Too Far https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:46:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: nic https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24820 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 02:26:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24820 I think the double faced cards are great for two reasons
1. I don't draft — hate it actually — and these cards work just fine in EDH/Commander
2. They legitimize the placeholder-proxy, meaning I really only need to own 1 copy of the card total for all of the potential commander decks it could go in (and I just have to have enough checklists for that card).

For those of you that like drafting, isn't the reason people draft because they want to make a lot of fast, complicated, unexpected, real time decisions about what to play in their decks (rather than crafting ahead of time)? Doesn't this extra level of complication make it _more_ fun?

]]> By: Tyler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24805 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:10:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24805 In reply to Kevin Binswanger.

>flipping out seems rather premature.

I like the pun! Intentional or not. But do you think Forrest is flipping out? Or simply using his experience as a drafter to call this a likely issue?

]]> By: Dana https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24800 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:56:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24800 Unless you're at a pro tour where the basic lands are removed…

]]> By: Kevin Binswanger https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24799 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:18:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24799 Considering we don't yet have any guidance on how competitive drafts will be run with these cards, flipping out seems rather premature.

By the way, it was announced and encouraged that you use a basic land as your draft pick cover.

]]> By: @seanmcclay https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24797 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:54:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24797 Forrest is upset beacuse he can't use his yellow sleeves with flip cards.

]]> By: @KrillinUSoftly https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24792 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:20:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24792 In reply to Fror.

There's no reason we can't start a discussion about these issues now.
Unless Wizards makes a real decision on whether or not this information is public instead of throwing their hands up in the air and letting people do whatever they want there is going to be an unfair disparity of information that will favor anybody that uses the methods outlined in this article.

]]> By: @Gamble4Value https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24788 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:01:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24788 In reply to Fror.

Yes but the fact that there is one flip card is the reason to complain. If you read above it talks about how if someone picks one you know what they have picked. I for one don't like the guy to my right knowing what my p1p1 is.

]]> By: Fror https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24787 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:00:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24787 Hum… Why don't you just wait for actual drafting before complaining? This is not unfair: there is one flip card in each booster pack, so everyone is at the same level!

]]> By: @KrillinUSoftly https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24785 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:29:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24785 In reply to NastyNate.

According to http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=m… the checklist card is supposed to be replaced by the double-faced card whenever it's in a revealed zone.

]]> By: @KrillinUSoftly https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24784 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:27:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24784 In reply to i don't make sense.

The problem is that Wizards encouraging players to look at others while drafting by making the double-faced cards open information during drafts. It bothers me that to get all the information that's available to you during a draft you have to run the risk of being disqualified from a tournament if you see more than one of the fourteen cards in a pack.

]]> By: NastyNate https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24781 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:10:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24781 whats the official ruling on those that use checklist cards in their deck? are they required to have the actual copies… this is to say if you own one can you just have one in play. if you want to play the second of the same checklist card can you just wait for the other to leave play in order to cast the second. Do checklist cards need to be replaced if they end up in the graveyard (mill / discard) ?

]]> By: i don't make sense https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24780 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:05:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24780 Magic players want to act like poker players until it comes time for hand protection and then they want to complain it's not fair. Hand protection is your job just as much as anyone's.

It's true that looking at someone drafting is wrong. At the same time, if you don't want to get in trouble, don't look at other people's cards. Not too hard.

]]> By: @Gamble4Value https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/08/the-horrors-of-drafting-innistrad-from-fnm-to-pro-the-genres-gone-too-far/#comment-24779 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:04:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=20186#comment-24779 You made some strong points about the flip cards. I feel like creating them is a mistake but we will see in time.

Great article bro. I hope to see more of you.

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