Comments on: Insider: Value is Not a Dirty Word https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: kellyreid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26518 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:37:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26518 In reply to thetomatto.

Yeah, that was all Tom. I only did my part to popularize it since Tom always says he wants to write than never goes and does it!

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By: kellyreid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26517 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:36:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26517 In reply to @Chosler88.

I think I'll make this free in a couple weeks. I don't want to hose our paying customers!

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By: kellyreid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26516 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:36:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26516 In reply to Flez.

He's one of our best, that's for sure.

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By: Tyler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26480 Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:13:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26480 In reply to Mike Lanigan.

Mike,

I agree with you on the SCG value front. That was actually one of the main reasons we at QS were inspired to create Project Condor. We're really excited to have an honest tool at hand to discuss the VALUE of cards across the board.

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By: mattz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26467 Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:50:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26467 No way this article should be free. In addition to what cards to be investing in, HOW to acquire these cards is also part of the product that QS presents and that insiders pay for.

Writing an article about how Value trading is good, for a premium site devoted to making people better Value traders is definitely going to be well received. Of course the article is good, it's Corbin. But with all the fire we are taking, what also needs to be addressed is how to keep people at the table if they are turned off by you being a VT, how to get them to the table in the first place, or "What to do if you've been labeled a Value Trader". PDM is hilarious, btw.

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26398 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:05:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26398 Great article corbin. So many important topics in this article. I know personally, I say “what do you value this at?” all the time. We all need to know where each other stands on card value. Lately I have been engrossed in the store I’m running at the shop I go to, so I can definitely understand your trade partners side because that’s exactly where I would have been.

Also, I think this a great example of how valuing at starcity prices is a horrible idea. I hate pricing from them while trading because some cards are so inflated from what the cards actually sell for elsewhere. When I totaled up the standard cards at more realistic prices, I still think the legacy cards came out ahead also, even though that’s not the point.

Both people need to be happy with every trade.

Great article. Everyone should read it.

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By: thetomatto https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26393 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 12:53:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26393 Great article Corbin. Part of me wishes this wasn't insider so I could point EVERYONE to this post and dispel any myths about 'value trading' and how 'it's killing magic'.

Also, on "pretend double money." That term came from Ryan Bushard's friend, Tom Mckee after trading at GP Providence. The event was filled with so many wannabe Medinas it wasn't even funny. Case in point, though. Everyone wants to be a value trader, but almost no one is good at it.

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By: @Chosler88 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26382 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:26:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26382 In reply to SoupaJoe.

Thanks again, I understand your point more clearly now. I'll check in with the PTB and maybe we can unlock it next week or something.

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By: SoupaJoe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26378 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:44:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26378 Oh I definitely got value out of this article, and am not saying that the article doesn’t satisfy me as insider content (cause it does). I just think that this one is useful to both insiders and free readers while not providing too much that you’re giving the benefits of insidership away for free. Tossing a juicy taste of insider content in that way would drive conversion, it would have swayed me back when I was reluctant to subscribe.

I think that generic articles are great, they provide a breath of fresh air. Hope I am not causing any insult :), great article

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26370 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:11:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26370 In reply to @SoupaJoeViola.

Feedback is always good. I know sometimes I forget who the target is on some of my pieces, but i think corbin had some stuff in here that is great for insiders. Knowing how to properly evaluate your trade for example, when people are focusing on SCG prices, is really relevant. Since I know you personally, i'll relate it to you. Your goal is finding cards you can move on EBay at a profit, so your valuation of cards would be different than someone who only does work at trade tables at legacy events for example.

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By: @Chosler88 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26366 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:52:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26366 Thanks for the kind words everyone! I'm glad to know you guys are enjoying the work.
@Soup That's fair. The thing is, not all our insiders are in the same position you are, some like to be able to read stuff like this, especially since as a site you get everything, every week. We're working on filling the schedule back out after losing a few people, but for instance this week you got spec tips for Chad, a set review from Doug, some cool number-crunching stuff from Kelly, and a more general piece from me. Next week I'll be back to card spec, so no worries.
And I like the free suggestion, if the Power That Be at QS want to make it free.
And thank you again for the feedback, it's how we improve.

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By: @SoupaJoeViola https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26363 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:36:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26363 Great article, it's good to hear one of the names leading this age of trading offering a different perspective on what some of the other names have discussed.

That being said: I feel as though this article would be better served as a free article. This is more of a discussion about value trading than it is financial advice. Throughout the read I felt as though, while being a great article, it wasn't written with me, a subscriber to QS and fellow trader/seller, as the audience in mind. I feel it was more geared towards the people "attacking" value traders, the ones who think "value" is a dirty word that dont trade, as well as those who are "in" the scene.

Having this only available to QS insiders means it never reaches those who really need this message, it would better serve the trading community as a free article imho. This isn't revealing the next biggest spec targets, and doesnt go too in depth in terms of trading strategies, etc, that you would expect a QS insider article to do. I don't see the harm in turning it loose to the free side, it could even garner more traffic that may turn into subscribed readership.

But either way I enjoyed it, it describes my feelings towards the topic precisely. Good work!

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By: Flez https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26360 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:08:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26360 Corbin, every time I read an article by you, I think to myself. "This is golden. The best advice I've ever gotten. How could anyone top this!?"

Then I read your next article. Keep it up!

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By: @torerotutor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26359 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:59:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26359 well done sir. My main qualms with the whole "value" question are A) everyone is just rattling off the same script, and it takes away the whole allure that you mentioned of "meeting new people" it's almost like dealing with a bot on MTGO. B) It shows what their priority is. it's actually extremely revealing. When someone looks at my binder and points at all the hot staples asking what I value them at, I know exactly what their up to. Does this mean I'll never trade with them? Not neccessarily, but I need to change my approach to give me the edge i want in the trade.

It's not that "being a value trader" is inherently wrong, its that being a robot is not to your benefit, and trading with robots is usually not to your benefit. So unplug their power cord in anyway you can before talkign prices. I talked abou tthis a little bit in my column last week.

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By: chasandres https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26358 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:49:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26358 Yet another article showing why Corbin is the best MTG finance writer out there. Besides myself, of course =)

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By: @lexuspartsdude https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/10/insider-value-is-not-a-dirty-word/#comment-26354 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:23:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=22244#comment-26354 Liked the article, especially how you explained the other side of the trade IE Trevor taking the cards back to his town, where he would be able to move them FAR quicker than the legacy staples.

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