Comments on: Insider: Waking Up the Sleepers in Innistrad https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:58:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27853 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:20:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27853 I want to add two more calls to this list!

1) Bloodline Kepper (Theme – Tribal)
He's the new Vampire Nocturnous, and once we see more vampires in the next two sets will be KEY to building the deck. He's already $3-4, so isn;t very cheap right now, but he's going to get more expensive before he drops, so I'd pick up a few in trades if you can. I'm actually trying to get a few on MODO right now @ around 0.7 tix as well. I think he's going to hit $5 at least.

2) Moorland Haunt (Theme: Tokens / Is just good!)
Seeing tons of play EVERYWHERE. Channel Fireball splashed U into tempered steel just for this card, and their deck took 4 of 8 top places at worlds. Also seeing play as a 4x in humans, and who knows if spirits will ever get anything good to compliment it as well. Somehow it actually seems to have gone DOWN to $1 so I'll be buying at least 12. I can see this hitting $3-5 in the future, as it has casual appeal as well!

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27826 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:54:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27826 In reply to mattz.

Hey Matt! OOooo I like the vial tactic… didn't even think of that! :). I'm thinking it also has potential if there is a big mill card like "Glimpse the Unthinkable". T2 Glimpse will enable a T3 Ruinator everytime and may even give enough to bring him back once!

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By: mattz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27817 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:50:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27817 You can Vial out a Skaab Ruinator! I agree it has potential, but it needs to be protected and I don't think a Buried Alive effect is going to be successful enough.

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By: Tyler Tyssedal https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27791 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:20:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27791 Love the calls, Carl. Nice catch on Olivia. I’ll surely be listening to your advice.

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By: Sigmund https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27779 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:12:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27779 Carl,

I like your mention of Skaab Ruinator here. He is one of those unforgotten Mythics. Some pros were stoked to brew with this card when he was first spoiled, but thus far he has fallen flat. Much like Stoneforge Mystic with equipment, Skaab Ruinator should get better as more milling cards are made. Definitely worth keeping an eye on.

Look forward to reading more!
Sigmund

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By: Sven https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27758 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:27:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27758 Carl, I am looking forward to your next article! 🙂

Good stuff in here.
I really like the way you explain your calls. Easy to understand, yet you focus on the important things = how you came to your conclusion and how we can learn to do the same.
Thanks!

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27755 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:49:57 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27755 In reply to Carl Szalich.

^^ Ooops! I'm paying around $4 for Mikaeus as well! You won't find him for a toonie for awhile 😛

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27754 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:48:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27754 In reply to Todd Stevens.

Todd: Those are great suggestions for next time… love it!

Indeed, I do suggest the three that you'd listed with an emphasis on the Reaper and the Skaab since they're mythics, and the Instigator because he's what really makes the Werewolf deck lethal with that +3/+0 to attack. While I am collecting ALL of those listed in the article, some others that I would put major focus on would be:Mirror-Mad Phantasm (Unique Ability / Mythic), Kessig Cagebreakers (Try him as a Pod target!), GHM, Elite Inquisitor, and Mikaeus (because of his placing at worlds).

It's funny because of those, I wouldn't pay more than $2 for the mythics listed (except for the Skaab, which I'm paying around $3-4 ea. right now) and $1 for the rares. I really think the mythics are the place to be however, as they tend to jump highest in price quickest (see Olivia).

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By: Todd Stevens https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27753 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:48:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27753 I love the commentary for each card, but how about a scale factor as well? Maybe a 1-10 showing how risky or safe an increase in value, and maybe a ceiling that you believe it can hit. Also, how about ranking them on the ones you beleive are the very best buys and you are targeting the most. From reading it seems like it may be Skaab Ruinator, Reaper of the Abyss, and Instigator Gang. Am I correct?

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27750 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:48:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27750 In reply to Greg.

2) Right now I don't think there is enough to make spirits a good tribe. They are in the set, yes, but don't have a feel as something that would show up in a COMPETITIVE decklist yet. We have a good base in Geist Honored Monk and Doomed Traveller, but I feel spirits are going to end up more the token route, less the tribal route. On top of that, it seems like they are trying to tie the spirits in with humans, which takes away from their focus. Look at Dearly Deprted for example: It's a spirit that doesn't even help the spirit tribe… it helps humans! This division in the tribe is going to hurt it if it continues into the next set. So as far as the spirit tribe is concerned, just pick up those that would actually be good on their own (like the GHM), as there don't seem to be any complimentary sprits out there right now. Should this change, I still don't see any other spirits that really make me say: "Wow, this guy would be great if they were to release a lord!". Maybe the next set will set up up for spirits in the third?

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27749 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:48:11 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27749 In reply to Greg.

If you're planning on buying them for cash, I still think it would be a good time since now that worlds is finished, people are going to be homing in on those decklists and trying to buy the cards that have ALREADY made it big-time, which could cause a secondary dip in the market for sleepers since none of them were breakouts at worlds so aren't on the radar (yet). Lucky for us, we ARE taking that second glance so that we can continue to look ahead instead of setting our sights behind us on what has already been proven to be good… we want to get them BEFORE they're identified as playable.

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27748 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:47:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27748 In reply to Greg.

Hi Greg, thanks for the feedback! 🙂 Let's see if I can answer those questions for you…

1) Yes, I think now is as good a time as any to start buying into the $1-3 cards. We already missed out on the Olivia jump, but just think where we could have been had we been speculating on it all along because of the fact that it's a vampire (one of the Innistrad themes we'd identified)? We want to try and eliminate our chances of misses as best we can, so picking up a few of these here or there for these prices at ANY time is reccomended. If you can avoid outright BUYING these cards and just trade for them, you'll be much better off! There aren't many people out there who would hesitate to throw in a Splinterfright or lesser Werewolf into a deal to finalize it.

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By: Greg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27744 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:11:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27744 Great article! You write well, and I'd love to see more.

I do have a couple questions:
1) Is NOW the time to buy for some of these ~$2-3 cards, or should we wait until sometime around late December, when the prices may have dropped even lower? When I look at BLP for the history of sets like Zendikar and SoM, it seems that the lowest average price point for mythics and rares in these first sets is right around the start of the new year. I guess in a nutshell, what I'm asking is, do you think any of these prices will go even lower?

2) You had a lot of love for werewolves and zombies in this article. Do you think tribes like Spirits will be worth looking into at all?

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By: Greg https://www.quietspeculation.com/2011/11/insider-waking-up-the-sleepers-in-innistrad/#comment-27746 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:11:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=23476#comment-27746 Great article! You write well, and I'd love to see more.

I do have a couple questions:
1) Is NOW the time to buy for some of these ~$2-3 cards, or should we wait until sometime around late December, when the prices may have dropped even lower? When I look at BLP for the history of sets like Zendikar and SoM, it seems that the lowest average price point for mythics and rares in these first sets is right around the start of the new year. I guess in a nutshell, what I'm asking is, do you think any of these prices will go even lower?

2) You had a lot of love for werewolves and zombies in this article. Do you think tribes like Spirits will be worth looking into at all?

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