Comments on: Insider: Your Dark Ascension Pre-Order Watchdog https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:58:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Wade https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29558 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:18:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29558 With Skaab I am still planning on him being nasty at some point in his life in standard. I banked hard on Abyssal Persecutors but we all know Jace/Stoneforge screwed many many cards out of seeing play that could have during that time period. Anyways back to Ruinator, he is insanely low imho right now and I'm thinking about pulling harder than ever. If something shows up the sites will raise him in a second flat. Regulars at 2.50 foils at 10????? Hmm they don't wanna lower foils for some reason. Also you guys think Angelic Overseer might be headed in a playable direction? Any opinions on that one?

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By: michael lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29495 Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:34:09 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29495 Interesting thoughts on the mythics spoiled so far. You know I am definitely on board with Huntmaster. Take a look at my article tomorrow if you are still not convinced. On the note of Drogskul Reaver, I think he will initially drop below five dollars and if that is the case, I think his long term value is going to be high so it would be a buy for me at that point. Same goes for the Lich as well. Both of those card I feel will be underestimated at first which will drop the price significantly. Fingers crossed for both Visions of Beyond and Skaab Ruinator. Even just small bumps would be great. Looking forward to more specing!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29481 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:53:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29481 In reply to Carl Szalich.

Lol, no worries, Carl. I always appreciate the comments!

I sure hope you’re right on Visions of Beyond. I love the flavor of the card, and it seems breakable in the right environment. Let me know how it pans out!

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29479 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:23:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29479 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

^ I am also disapointed in Ruinator… thought for sure he'd make a splash (finally!) and realize his potential. At best I see him as a 1 or 2x in self mill as a "backup plan" after a DoJ or something. You CAN still mill him into the yard to cast him, but I doubt he'll see much play right out of your hand as there are not enough set-ups (yet) to make him a consistent 3 drop that doesn't interfere w/ a conflicting splinterfright / cagebreakers plan (he's like a nonbo in that deck).

I DO own > 50 Visions of beyond, however, so I'm on that ship at least :). Also looking at Birthing pods right now because of the GG-Geist and undying mechanic.

LOL sorry if I'm spamming your post Sig! I just love these speculatory conversations! 🙂 Hope I'm feeling well enough to pick up my pen again soon!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29478 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:25:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29478 In reply to Guest.

I own a set of Visions from Beyond just in case it sees play. They are certainly cheap enough to purchase as a small speculative play. As of right now, I'm not as confident that the card will break out but I am definitely keeping an eye on it.

My biggest disappointment is Skaab Ruinator. As more cards get spoiled from Dark Ascension, I am growing in confidence that the 5/6 flier will not see constructed play. Hopefully I'm proven wrong.

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By: Guest https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29472 Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:53:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29472 What do you guys think about Visions from Beyond now that there's a new set with getting-cards-into-the-Graveyard and playing-things-out-of-the-graveyard applications?

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29458 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:07:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29458 In reply to Carl Szalich.

I really hope it works out for you! I don't see her value dropping too much if things sputter out, so overall it's not a bad buy. And it sounds like you found a great preorder price on eBay.

My hesitation is precisely that she is strong only in a deck that runs black and red. Currently that number is near 0. The awesome human cards and the new Sorin will be great for Black / White. The sweet graveyard creature interaction decks will heavily use green. As you put it, we are now looking at a scenario where red deck wins needs to splash black for the Aristocrat. In today's metagame that may be the best place for her. And I think she may fit in decently, though most red decks want to curve to Koth at 4-drop and this does not synergize well with him.

So net, I'm still tepid on her and I place her in a group comparable to Olivia Voldaren. Perhaps additional spoilers will sway my vote 🙂

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29456 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:33:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29456 *EUGH* I meant "Aristocrats"… I bought a playset of "ARISTOCRATS" not Nobles! DON'T BUY NOBLES BY ACCIDENT! 😛

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29454 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:17:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29454 I just bought a playset of Nobles as a preorder off eBay for $28 shipped to Canada. I'm taking the risk because I can see this as having HUGE potential in ANY aggressive deck, and I think too many people are going to be wearing the "It ONLY goes into a vampire deck" blinders. This guy is going to be a 4x in ANY aggressive strategy that does not involve lashwrithe. He's a buy IMHO. When I started comparing him to how played Giant Solifuge was back in the day it made me get in. DoJ the board? Cool, I recover with this guy and swing. I can see mono red splashing black the way vampires used to splash red in order to use him/her/it! lol. Even if it gets returned to hand you don't lose tempo next turn, and it flies over wurmcoils, and can sac a creture after blockers are declared to prevent any kind of lifelink, which is a HUGE added bonus that I just thought of! He is so far my "pick"… take that how you will!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29453 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:06:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29453 In reply to Carl Szalich.

Carl, thanks for the kind comments! There has to be a few solid cards from Dark Ascension that will make their way into Tier 1 decks. This doesn’t mean they will all double in price, however. Your mention of Master of the Wild Hunt is a great example – I missed that one! More evidence of the mythic rare price ceiling on these type of beatdown creatures.

I like Bloodline Keeper a lot. I only own 1, but I am keeping my eye on them as possible speculation targets. Still not moving in yet though. 59 damage is a lot!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29452 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:02:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29452 In reply to ertaislament.

Thanks for the comment! I know there will be no shortage of articles these next couple weeks which will attempt to predict the exact value of every relevant spoiled card. That seems like a tedious guessing game if you ask me. I try to approach the paradigm from a broader viewpoint so that the information I share can be reapplied to future sets as well. Hopefully this came through in my article in an interesting way.

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By: Carl Szalich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29444 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:53:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29444 Great article Sig. I agree with everything you said here. I really think the Aristocrat is going to be huge (he reminds me of Giant Solifuge) but don't plan on jumping on board… yet. (Could be a mistake, as I see him as being the best value ATM :P) Huntsmaster also seems really good, kinda like a "Master of the Wild Hunt" that's harder to use, but if that's any indication of playability he's capped at around $8.

Funny story about Bloodline keeper since you'd mentioned him in passing. I play a rogue Jund build in Standard right now and had 3x of them in play all at once with 4 other tokens. Swinging for 59 sure felt good :).

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By: ertaislament https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29442 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:23:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29442 I always appreciate articles that "tell us what we already know," in a sense, but go deep into the whys and wherefores. A very enjoyable read!

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By: Drogskols mother https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/01/insider-your-dark-ascension-pre-order-watchguard/#comment-29440 Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:19:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=25311#comment-29440 Drogoskul ? Twice ?

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