Comments on: Insider: The Prizes and Pitfalls of the Obscure https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:00:21 +0000 hourly 1 By: Free Elder Scrolls Online Beta Key https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-86438 Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:00:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-86438 My business is don’t specific where you are having your details, however beneficial subject matter. I must devote more time to learning additional or maybe performing exercises extra. Many thanks impressive info I had been looking for this info for my quest.

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By: Sven https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30631 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:48:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30631 Thanks for the answer… I discovered MOTL thanks to you! Can you believe I didn't know this existed? 😮

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By: Sven https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30598 Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:44:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30598 I have some of these Holiday Promo's (Snow Mercy, Yule Ooze & Fruit Cake Elemental) and am willing to move them. Where would be the best place to try that? 🙂
Some one knows some great online resources where collectors gather?

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30544 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:36:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30544 In reply to Matthew Turnbull.

These are great examples of cards with wide buy/sell spreads. It's very difficult to pin a certain "value" to them because they are very hard to come by and fairly unique. If you found John Doe who collects misprints, he'd probably give you significantly more than FNM Steve who is only interested in Standard staples. So to profit, you could obtain misprints from Steve and then find the corresponding John Doe. Problem is (as you've noticed), this is very difficult and time consuming to do.

I, for one, had a couple lame miscut cards in my trade binder for months before I finally traded them away (as throw-ins!). I lost patience waiting for the perfect person to trade them to, especially because they were not good cards.

Perhaps try MOTL or Twitter for starters?

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30543 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:31:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30543 In reply to pi.

That would be an interesting idea. Like a dating service, but for rare and obscure Magic Cards (haha). For example, I need a Chinese Starlit Angel, but I don't want to pay retail for it. Someone else may need a Beta Bayou, but where they are from, Beta Bayous are too expensive. We can overcome some arbitrage by enabling trades through this service.

Probably too good to be true, not to mention shipping costs would be prohibitive. But I love the concept. It's funny how we live in such a networked, technological age yet these discrepancies in card availability still exists. Especially with these obscure cards, where quantities are sparse to begin with.

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By: Matthew Turnbull https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30538 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:46:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30538 how hard do you find misprints to move, I have a couple really lame ones, but on cards that are popular. I have access to a counterlash that got opened by an FNM regular with the upper left corner faded (the printer ran out of ink?) and an off center survival cache, but I wouldn't be certain what to value them at.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30533 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:34:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30533 I get a lot from outside the country, some things are all but impossible to find here, or at least all but impossible to be found at reasonable prices. For comparison, The Netherlands is smaller than all but the very smallest U.S. states. As we're not native English speakers English cards may already look "foreign" to some of those that would normally be interested in that kind of thing. I'm sure I wouldn't be interested in any Dutch language Magic cards, it just doesn't seem right and in a similar vein I have met German players who specifically sought out English cards for exactly the same reason (even if the game is available in their language).

I am probably that 1 in 1000 person for the right kind of stock. I don't like many of the usual pimp cards (don't like foreign, don't like foil, don't like Alpha), but I am willing to shell out for those I do like. I would for example be interested in Beta Duals (particularly a Bayou) and other high end cards. I have been thinking it might be beneficial to us here on QS if we could actually in some way line up what who is interested in (either personally or because it's easily moved among their connections) and find some way to basically move stock that's not interesting for you to me and visa versa. Shipping cost would probably negate the advantage unless it's done on a large enough scale. I have been including my high wants in my forum signature for this purpose, but I haven't seen any responses so far.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30510 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:11:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30510 In reply to pi.

It certainly sounds like where you are, the market is much smaller. In the U.S., cards are much more readily available. Between eBay, Star City Games, MOTL, etc., the definition of "obscure" is perhaps a bit more extreme.

I think you nailed the gist of the article it in your last paragraph. No matter your location, there are some cards that are very limited in numbers. And while it's tempting to collect them all, having a binder full of cards that only 1 person in 1000 wants is not necessarily a good thing. You find that one person, sure you make a nice profit. But until then you're inventory is sitting there instead of being traded for new inventory. So it's a balance like everything.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30502 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:40:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30502 So your message is to try to have a monopoly? 😉 Yeah, I can see that work.

Many of those I would not get into, non-english cards for example are very hard to move here, far less popular than in America and I could only see going into alters if they've been done by a known alter specialist. I have had my misprint Diplomatic Immunity ever since I traded for it not too long after Masques was released, nobody has ever shown the slightest interest in trading for it or buying it (though as I pretty much traded for it at regular foil common price I don't mind). I suppose the market for rarities might be smaller or different in this part of the world.

On the other hand I do try to make sure I keep interesting cards in stock to trade to my local group where for many of them I am the only reliable source for more expensive, rare and/or popular cards (in this context that's anything $10+, any older cards and EDH staples). I get these through online trade or from shops that seem to have undervalued their stock. I guess I might be implementing what you're suggesting, but with less special cards.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30501 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:10:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30501 Granted, the examples I referenced are a bit obscure. But the same logic still applies to Foil Japanese/Koeran, misprints, miscut cards, altered cards, and even cards that only one person has at a LGS. When quantities are severely limited in a given market, no matter how small that market is, the buy/sell spread ends up getting larger. It is in these instances where we should try to understand what the market looks like and determine if there is an opportunity for profit given the amount of waiting we'll have to do.

The same phenomenon occurs in the stock market too. If you try to buy or sell stocks with very low volume, the buy/sell price spread is usually measurable, as opposed to the typical 1 cent spread on a popular stock.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/02/insider-the-prizes-and-pitfalls-of-the-obscure/#comment-30494 Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:05:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=26132#comment-30494 I have to wonder. do you come across rarities like this often? In my 14+ years of trading magic cards I have personally seen: a single Summer card (an Ornithopter in the collection of a collector of Ornithopters), a foil with the back upside down (think it was a Sanctimony) and a weirdly printed foil Diplomatic Immunity (one or more printing layers seem to have wound up further to the left and bottom, for example some of the card's text is on the blue border, of these this is the one I own myself). That's really all I have seen that I would consider on the rarity level you seem to consider here.

I have no idea how I would be able to keep a few rarities in stock, unless I was to specifically buy them online and that doesn't seem to be a good idea.

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