Comments on: Insider: A Diverse Finance Article https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:56:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: zorakqc https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32561 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:43:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32561 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

dont play against me and u'll be fine 😉 I'm the only player mouthing off out there! 😛

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32540 Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:17:11 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32540 In reply to shazam.

Thanks for the insights, shazam. We just had our first baby back in March so I can certainly appreciate the time savings MTGO has to offer. Plus I am truly a casual player/collector at heart once you get through the thick skin that is my finance savvy. So any chance to play for fun and for free would be great.

My other concern with MTGO – I see so many horror stories about players being jerks and mouthing off. Do you find most of your opponents as kind and courteous, or do many players through a fit when you win?

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32539 Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:16:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32539 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Btw, I would always try to avoid bringing along any cards that are not for trade. It's bound to annoy players if they keep hearing that what they want is not available. Somehow, even when I bring along thousands of cards, people always seem to be asking about the few I've been considering to keep for a deck. Always. I should just take out these cards and improve the experience for them and I try to (though I sometimes forget).

I see the same happen with online haves lists, where it also annoys me considerably at times when I see something I would like only to hear they don't really want to trade it.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32537 Wed, 27 Jun 2012 07:57:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32537 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Offer > (cost to reacquire + time/effort wasted on reacquiring + personal attachment to card) = deal.

What I mean to say is, a profit alone is not enough to convince me to part with a playset. There is a time and effort factor in the equation as well as an attachment to a card. If my attachment is high there's no chance at all, for example nobody is going to be able to buy one of my decks at any price that is not ridiculous. Time and effort mostly applies to hard to find cards. My playset of Diaochan could be sold, however, not at a small profit as it will be an enormous pain in the ass to reacquire them as they're just not being offered online. Same for many other P3K cards.

Currently I have so many cards for trade people already find it too much effort to look through it all, so I'm probably fine in that regard ;).

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By: zorakqc https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32534 Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:01:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32534 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

There is actually a huge portion of the mtgo players who dont even know there is a marketplace to trade with bots. There are lots of casual decks around. I used to play an aura deck that cost me like 5 bucks, and I was kicking b utts big time 🙂 There is also the multiplayer interface, and a bunch of other stuff. Overall, I'm playing almost for free now, but like i said I first had to make a significant investment and make sure my buys were solid…

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By: shazam https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32532 Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:21:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32532 MTGO is really convenient. As a father of 3, going to the card store for +4hrs just isnt going to happen, but I can sneak in a quick draft (I love 4pack sealed btw) online. The other nice thing, is for constructed, all cards come from your same pool, so multiple decklists can run 4ofs and you don't need more than 4x of any card.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32531 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:54:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32531 In reply to Jose Gasque.

Amen! I am always eager to sell for profit, especially when there's a solid chance of re-entry.

I sold my Noble Hierarchs for $15.50 each out of fear of a reprint. Then I bought them in an eBay auction for $53.50/set, and then immediately turned around and sold them again for $60. Looking to buy yet again, though I may wait for the remainder of M13 spoiler season first. I smell a reprint…

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32530 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:52:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32530 In reply to Templeguard.

Templeguard, thank you very much for your feedback! I'm genuinely pleased you enjoy my writing – I take the gig here at QS very seriously and I hope my writing reflects that. Thanks also for casting a vote on article format. It's ironic that I tried to write an article that covered a diverse set of topics so as to please a diverse audience, and even this concept itself strikes a dichotomy among the readers.

Guess it's a lesson learned that you can't please everybody. All I can say is, I will keep the diversity of QS subscribers in mind while I write. But as I'm not a member of the MTGO community, my writing in this department will be sparse. If anyone wants to donate cards to me to get me started, I'd consider it :-).

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By: Jose Gasque https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32528 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:36:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32528 I snipes a personal tutor before temporal mastery was out for my personal use. $12. Then I sell it for $35 buy it now after avr. Then I snipe a new one for $16. Don’t get attached.

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By: Templeguard https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32527 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:35:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32527 So I like the multi-topic article, especially because the topics are based on things you've read in the forum. I would've been disappointed, honestly, if you'd turned point 1 into an entire article, or spent a dozen paragraphs talking about how you feel about MTGO. This format is a good way to address multiple issues that don't really merit an entire topic, or, if one of them does, you can find out from the feedback.

Also, well done. I've enjoyed your articles for some time now.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32526 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:34:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32526 In reply to zorakqc.

Thank you for commenting! I am often tempted with embarking upon the MTGO journey, but it seems so daunting to have to start from 0 all over again! I suppose through speculation, one could manage the hobby rather inexpensively? Are there many MTGO players with cheap collections looking to play casually for the fun of Magic? If so, I'd be much more tempted. I love playing with random cards (which is why EDH is so much fun for me).

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By: zorakqc https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32525 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:35:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32525 I'm mostly a MTGO player. I was playing paper Magic up until the Ice Age release. I regret I didn't purchase any of the Alpha Rares back then, even though I knew they would be profitable eventually. I think there can be profit with MTGO, but the appeal of trying costly decks and drafting drags my tickets down by a lot. Since I lack the discipline and given the fact that I am emotional by nature, maybe it's harder than one would think to make a good amount of money out of the online marketplace.
With that being said, after 1 year of trading online, I've increased my collection by 6000 cards (drafts included) and managed to break even.
When I read your articles, I'm looking for pick up cards in the paper world that are likely to meet high demands online too. I've placed 500 tix so far on modern staples and I'm already cashing in some interesting amounts. So it is very interesting to apply your knowledge about pro tours and metagame shifts to the online community! 🙂

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32522 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:40:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32522 In reply to pi.

Thanks for the comment and your perspective. I agree that once you have a significant collection you can start to afford setting cards aside as "not for trade" while not sacrificing profitable opportunities. My struggle in the past was that I set way too many cards aside and therefore struggled with trading. I would notice that others did not want to trade with me because so many cards were not for trade. I found that I needed to open my binder for trade more fully, and by doing so I opened the door to acquire more cards that were interesting to me.

If someone offers you a deal on a playset of yours, why not let them go and re-acquire them at a lower price? I sold my set of Snapcaster Mages a month ago at $17 each and now they retail for $16 on Star City Games. Even though I miss my set, I'm glad I sold them, and I intend to pick them up again at a price floor.

As for article format – thanks for the feedback. Your vote counts, and so far with your comment being the only one, I will not attempt a disjointed article again. 🙂

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32519 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:49:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32519 In reply to pi.

* returning trader

Not actually a dealer.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/06/insider-a-diverse-finance-article/#comment-32518 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:48:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=28799#comment-32518 When I used to be quite active in floor trading, back in the day, pretty near everything was up for trade. At some point I became an active player again and many of my cards wound up in playsets that I do not intend to trade. Right now I'm in a situation where my trade haves are plenty (even more than back then) even though I also set a lot of cards aside. It would at this point become absolutely disastrous for my back if I should decide to make everything tradeable again (too much weight!).

What I'm trying to say is that 'everything is for trade' is not always required, but you need a collection of considerable size to support your trading if you want to frequently set cards aside like I do.

I do not consider myself an active floor trader right now, I just don't go to tournaments often enough. I'm not a returning player though, as I never quit the game. You could say I'm a returning dealer though as for quite some time I was not tracking magic prices as actively as I am now.

After I moved away from being a floor trader I always remained a trader and mostly my focus was on keeping the costs of this hobby down. In fact it still is. I'm not even looking to break even or make a profit on the whole, but I am looking for anything that makes keeping my Magic collection current, less costly .

I don't think I'm a very big fan of this disjointed format. I guess I would have focussed on one area, perhaps promising to cover another area in a future article. On the whole I'm not entirely sure what to take out of this article.

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