Comments on: Just Play RUG Delver https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: site here https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-52408 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:11:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-52408 I every time used to study paragraph in news papers but now as I am a user of net therefore from now I am using net for
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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-37094 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:23:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-37094 In reply to juan gelman.

That’s probably a bluff. 😉

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By: juan gelman https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-36693 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:56:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-36693 In reply to Jon.

For example, attacking with a 1/1 when your opponent has a 2/2 to block you. Dont you think thats a worse mistake?

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By: Jon https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-36679 Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:55:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-36679 In reply to juan gelman.

Competent: having the necessary ability, knowledge, or skill to do something successfully.

If you are making plays that increase your chance of losing and decrease your chance of winning (incorrect plays), I would say that’s a pretty spot-on example of playing incompetently. I think you are taking the criticism of this random person’s bad plays (and they are bad) a little too personally. And as far as misplaying brainstorm, I’d like an example of a “far worse” mistake.

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By: juan gelman https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-36466 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:56:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-36466 Honestly I think you are being an asshole against your opponent. I like playing mtg and RUG deck, I am not a great at this game but I simply play it for fun. Just because the guy didnt use brainstorm with the correct timing does that mean he is ‘incompetent’? I hate it when people who think of themselves as “good” players make fun and put down people who are just trying to learn and make their best. “Hey this guy didnt use brainstorm at the right moment everybody laugh”. I think there are far worse mistakes than using brainstorm at the bad time.

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By: @RyanOverdrive https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35507 Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:40:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35507 In reply to Brian.

What I'm saying is that you aren't going to be playing any particularly narrow sideboard cards in Legacy. If you have a card like Spell Pierce on your sideboard it is going to come in against combo and control decks alike. Tormod's Crypt is strong against Reanimator, Dredge, and decks like the awful Storm build with 4x Past in Flames. Just because you play against 8 different decks doesn't mean that you won't have tools against all of them. You get 15 sideboard slots and any slots that only address one particular matchup are wasted slots. I don't waste my slots.

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By: Brian https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35503 Sat, 01 Sep 2012 02:53:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35503 In reply to @RyanOverdrive.

Huh? I'm not sure I follow you. There is a huge advantage to playing rogue strategies, one of which is that SB space is limited. You can't board for everything only the decks/cards you have problems with. Yet there is still the possibility of playing 8 different decks in 8 rounds. This isn't uncommon.

There are decks that can grind you out or just trump you completely. Chalice for 1, for example is brutal. Any of the MUD decks can do this pretty easily. I'd much rather be on the Nic Fit side of the table. Even decks that were previously pushed out of the metagame like Merfolk can beat you if you expect Bolts to do most of the heavy lifting. 8 LoAs is very good here.Miracle with EE? Another trump. Even something like a "bad" deck like Affinity is faster than you and has silly opening hands.

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By: @RyanOverdrive https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35481 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:42:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35481 In reply to Brian.

The advantage of playing rogue strategies is nowhere near as heavy in Legacy as in formats like Standard or Modern as the disruption available is generally not going to be very narrow. Spell Pierce is pretty all-encompassing in terms of combo decks, sans Dredge, and Force of Will is a catch-all if I ever saw one. It shouldn't be too hard to tell if I want to Lightning Bolt your creatures or not.

I'm not sure which "fair" decks you are referring to that make RUG eat it. I already discussed how the Maverick matchup isn't actually bad. Burn is also close/favorable as is Deadguy Ale.

I would argue that you're just playing RUG poorly if you blindly assert that it's "bad against fair decks". It's a useless statement as there is almost zero context and the statement is already, in part, false.

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By: @RyanOverdrive https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35480 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:38:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35480 In reply to mHinsz.

I do use it proactively from time to time, but it's very contingent on what is in my hand. I generally like to cast it at the last possible moment as a rule, but sometimes this means to use it proactively. If I assess the board/game state and it looks like I need a clock and/or I have two Brainstorms then I will do so proactively, but the longer you wait the more like an A-Call your Brainstorms become.

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By: @RyanOverdrive https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35479 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:37:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35479 In reply to dave wasser.

Burn is a close matchup, to be sure. Does that mean that I'm worried about it? No. A couple-three Blue Blasts on the board makes sideboarded games favor RUG by a fair, if not massive margin. I talked about the two decks that are actually bad matchups in my experience, not the ones that are close.

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By: mHinsz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35474 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:34:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35474 You keep mentioning Brainstorming "properly". There are many times I'm convinced that using Brainstorm proactively to keep up pressure when you are ahead on board is the correct thing to do….. aka I've a got a flipped Delver and a couple counterspells in hand and I'd like to just tempo them out. Do you ever use Brainstorm in this proactive manner? From your comments, it sounds like you are almost always using it reactively.

Thoughts?

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By: dave wasser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35473 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:12:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35473 I know people don’t consider burn a real deck(it is crap) but it destroys rug. To say its only really weak against 2 decks is laughable. Legacy is very diverse.

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By: Brian https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/just-play-rug-delver/#comment-35471 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:51:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=31031#comment-35471 I think you are underestimating the diversity of the format at large as well as the significant advantage you have while playings "rogue" or "fringe" strategies, many of which are legitimate decks but just don't have the numbers of players behind them or that lack a pro player to promote the deck, There are just too many decks in Legacy to keep track of. RUG, since we're talking about it eats it pretty hard to any "fair" deck. Many of which aren't completely helpless against the combo decks of the format. You'd be suprised. As Michael Fassbender has so eloquently put it: "Try harder." You've only scratched the surface.

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