Comments on: Insider: M13 Release Impacts on the MTGO Market https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:56:28 +0000 hourly 1 By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35187 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:04:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35187 In reply to shazam.

Thanks Shazam!

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By: shazam https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35152 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:03:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35152 ^^^^ High Road.

Exactly what I expect from the writers on this site, thank you. Matt's call % hits well above the market and his analysis always makes sense. I am still very novice in digital, but by following his advice over the last year+ I have made well over my subscription with almost no loss.

I also like that you explain the theory behind your picks, it helps me understand the influences so I can determine if a play is right for me (risk, investment cost, time of hold, etc).

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By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35059 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:16:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35059 In reply to tineforth.

I couldn't find a good comparison to Wolfir Silverheart to serve as an example.

Generally cards from the most recent block receive a bump in price at rotation, but I wouldn't rely on this except for staples such as dual lands and other cards that have proven themselves in Standard or are mythics priced at their floor. It's the nature of investing on mtgo, unless you spend time to buy directly from people, you have to surrender the buy/sell spread to the bots.

With this in mind, let's look at what might happen. Wolfir Silverheart wil probably go above 2 tix in October, to 2.5 to 3 tix. If I bought in today at market prices, a jump to 2.5 tix mean I just about break even. A jump to 3 tix means I turn a small profit. For me, I want it to go to 3+ tix because then your are close to making 1 tix on each card. If I could reliably buy these at 1 tix today, then I would be on board with Wolfir Silverheart as a good speculative investment.

I've done my work, I've made some predictions based off of it, and I've put my money down on Sorin. If Wolfir Silverheart breaks out as a top card in Fall Standard, then it'll probably push to 5 tix. At that point, my analysis will have proven to be incorrect. I look forward to seeing what happens!

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By: tineforth https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35045 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:32:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35045 In reply to mglewis.

are there examples of cards that have fallen in price due to the transition of block format? or is this a more unique scenario due to an untested quantity in tokens

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By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35015 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:29:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35015 In reply to dave wasser.

See this thread for the pre cursor to this article. http://www.quietspeculation.com/forum/index.php/t

As I mentioned above, my timing was off on the current standard staples. I hope to do better next time for you Dave!

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By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35014 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:24:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35014 In reply to dave wasser.

Casting cost makes all the difference in this case. With the guilds of Ravnica on the horizon, anybody who wants to should be able to squeeze bonfire into their deck. The same cannot be said for Entreat the Angels.

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By: dave wasser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35013 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:00:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35013 Also can I get a job writing about cards that have already gone up 2 weeks from now and say I wrote it now? 🙁

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By: dave wasser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35012 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:59:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35012 Entreats game swinging ability is on par with bonfire and it’s not red! It will find a home in tokens (maybe) just so hard to cast from the hand in comparison to bonfire.

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By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35008 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:46:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35008 In reply to Sebastien Morin.

They are both hard to judge and I haven't thought about them much. If they approach their respective price floors of 8 and 13 again, then I would be more interested. As it stands, they are powerful cards which don't currently have a home in Standard. Most likely they will see some bump up in October as brewers get to work.

I like Tamiyo better than Entreat. We've seen a 5cc planeswalker from a 3rd set/large set go up to 40 tix before in Gideon Jura. Tamiyo will fit into a control deck, but will it be a 3 of? Maybe. It's almost a certainty that Tamiyo will make an appearance as a useful piece in a control deck this year.

Entreat is much harder to judge. And I don't like to gamble on cards that I don't know very well.

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By: Sebastien Morin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-35006 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:11:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-35006 Really good article. Do you think entreat and tamiyo offer similar potential at their current Prices?

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By: @myownbed https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-34993 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:43:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-34993 In reply to arabidopsis.

Thanks for the feedback! I agree that we should have published this last week. It was a matter of scheduling (now fixed) that complicated that–Matthew was on top of things. as he wrote this while on a biweekly publication cycle.

After this week, however, Matthew has his own weekly column, which will allow his content to stay timely.

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By: Kazabet https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-34989 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:19:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-34989 Tibalt and Sorin are both interesting calls. I like your reasoning behind each.

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By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-34987 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:14:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-34987 In reply to arabidopsis.

It's actually worse than a week out of date, it's closer to two weeks out of date!

Something changed with the pre releases of M13 that makes the thesis of this article basicaly incorrect. WoTC lowered the prices of pre releases to 25 tix which allowed enough product to come onto the market that people got interested in Standard again. This started pushing prices up on all Innistrad block cards that are currently played in Standard earlier than expected.

Previously, my top pick had been Restoration Angel, but it's price started increasing sooner than I anticipated, I think due to this change to the pre releases. The DKA zombies saw something similar happen. Sorin was largely unaffected due to not being played to any great extent, and so I had to rejig my top pick.

Thanks for the constructive critcism; I recognize that the timeliness of this article is poor and I will work hard to write more timely articles in the future.

Cheers,
Matt

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By: arabidopsis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-34980 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:47:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-34980 Too bad this article is a week to late to be up to date.
This kind of article should be published the week before release events start, not the week after it.
Because it's really good information (and a good article), and now we can evaluate your predictions as being true.

So next year, a little bit earlier!

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By: mglewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-34977 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:59:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-34977 In reply to tineforth.

In your second paragraph, you are correct in reflecting that tokens being a possible deck in Fall Standard will have a negative impact on Jund. As you also suggest, Fall standard is difficult to predict. We just can't know how powerful the block tokens deck is compared to Jund, but we can surmise that it is pretty good based on cards being banned in block. The last cards to be banned in block were affinity related cards from Mirrodin block.

Also, prices on Jund staples such as Huntmaster of the Fells and Wolfir Silverheart are more elevated than they otherwise would have been in a block format with tokens. This is where the value trap comes from, and I would put Huntmaster in this category too.

Both cards are powerful and have seen a lot of play, particularly in block. This has driven prices up. If their playability in Fall Standard is reduced compared to block, then we should expect a slow price decline as players realize these former all stars are just not as good as they were.

The critical juncture is this mix of current playability and a price that is not too expensive. If Wolfir Silverheart were less played, then it would be easy to say it's too expensive. If it was cheaper, then it would be easy to say it's a good investment. As it stands, it's played enough but is somewhat expensive so it's in a range where it's upside and downside risk are close in my opinion.

I hope this helped to clarify my thinking, feel free to ask more questions!

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By: tineforth https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/08/the-impact-of-m13-release-events-on-the-mtgo-market/#comment-34972 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:35:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=29842#comment-34972 I'm pretty big on wolfir silverheart so i want to discuss more about this card. First of all, I'm not quite sure what this phrase means ''this rare is at a critical juncture of price and playability''. Are you referring that since its mainly played in block, this card will see less play once RTR hits and the block format changes? If so, I feel like that is rather hard to predict and its usage in block will give us a good clue to its usage in standard post rotation.

Also, what do you mean by jund being over-represented? Isn't a deck's playability a good sign for the cards contained within? Or could you be referring to tokens being reintroduced negatively affecting this deck's position in the metagame?

Looking forward to your response. Cheers! 🙂

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