Comments on: Insider: Keep Timmy, Johnny and Spike in Your Binder https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:54:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-38410 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:56:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-38410 In reply to Mathieu Malecot.

I think you may have missed my main problem with it as you don’t go into it. (Which is time versus reward). You sent me a private message on the forum, let’s continue the discussion there as indeed the lack of notification will hinder us here.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-38379 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:49:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-38379 In reply to pi.

use one binder, multiple copies make irt easy to keep full. set up strong, fill in on color scheme. really worth the effort as hundreds of years of retail store efforts show. filling in blanks is as important as “fronting” product in a store. make sure your inventory always looks well stocked and is visible.

doing those two things may get harder as you binder gets attention, but that is the result of success, isn’t it? easiest way to handle it is multiple copies under one space or a box of cards designed to fill in as needed (this could be your box of cheap stuff/ filler).

using a single 9 sleeve binder is 360 card facings. that is a high enough number to gauge trade interests of a party. break out box to make specific recommendations. use that box and recommendations to fill in after trading with cards that trader would have been interested in. 1360 cards is probably too many cards to be working with UNLESS you are a store. then you should have more incentive, not less to build multiple binders of 360 that give insights about the person you are trading with and let you capture the unplanned transaction.

you spend a paragraph telling me why this wouldn’t work for you. most of the reasons you give for not applying my techniques seem bad. you don’t need to restructure for every trader. you make your 3 binders so they can tell you more about the player you are trading with. build them assuming you are right that they are casual EDH players and set the binder up to tell you what kind of EDH cards they would be interested in.

restructuring still only involves filling in wholes left, and if you trade that infrequently out of the binders than that makes it easier not harder to keep the binder full until you want to redesign the thing. you redesign it to increase trades/ move specific things. that time is hardly wasted when it works.

i would have gotten back to you earlier about this, ’cause i feel pretty strongly about it (as you can tell) but the lack of notification on comments made me miss this.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36755 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:59:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36755 In reply to Mathieu Malecot.

As I said, I see the potential benefit. You glance over the time it takes, “not that difficult” for you could easily be “very time consuming” for me as we could have very different definitions of “not that difficult”. What’s keeping me from doing this is not a lack of believe in that it improves the deals you make, it’s a lack of believe in it being worth the time it takes.

How do you make sure the binder does not degrade over the course of a trading session? How long do you usually spend organizing after a trading session? How do you apply your techniques when you have many more cards to consider, such as when trying to cater to an EDH crowd?

I could never fit all I want to have up for trade in 1 small binder so for me I’d have to consider at least 3 of those binders. I don’t trade in person very often, maybe 4-6 trades a session (there just aren’t more people to trade with). I nearly always trade with casual players, mostly EDH. Restructuring my trade binders before each session seems like it would be as time consuming, if not more, as the trades themselves. I know better things to do with that time. I realise that if you do many more trades the will become more worthwhile, but the “upkeep cost” for keeping your binder nicely sorted will increase too.

It feels like this would only be beneficial for a small binder in a situation where you can quickly trade just about anything.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36704 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:48:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36704 In reply to Mathieu Malecot.

I also noticed that the add-ons are relatively inexpensive cards and I am guessing this is done on purpose?

yep. most people think “i can pick these up as well” on impulse. sometimes they get drawn in to bigger, more valuable cards but i always look to add more to the trade. each trade gives me another crack at increasing value. having cheap playsets available also leaves your trade partners with the impression that you’re the go to person for stuff. one stop shop.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36702 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:01:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36702 In reply to Matthew Zielke.

my examples are standard because i am trying to move standard to acquire modern cards right now. applying these tips to your commander binder will quickly make you the go to guy for EDH stuff locally imo. that’s a good thing. i do suggest maintaining a smaller collection of visible stock. i use a single ultra-pro side loading 9 page binder for example.

this makes set up and maintenance through a trading session easier. you can still keep other cards at hand and use the techniques described in the article to suggest appropriate cards you aren’t representing to llikely buyers.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36701 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 13:56:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36701 In reply to pi.

most of my trading happens on friday or at events. i maintain one binder, and keeping it working is not that difficult. as far as relevant cards… the only relevant cards are those that i am trying to acquire.

the more cards you are moving, the easier it is to make good choices about what’s in your binder. also, during a trading day you really need only keep the binder full. maintaining 4 pages so that they give you insight into who’s in your binder isn’t hard if you start the day with a binder full of pages that accomplish that trick.

if retail stores like wal-mart or your local supermarket chains apply these techniques you can also. the benefit is moving cards you want to get rid of, capturing 2/3 of the trades that might otherwise not occur when you just direct a trade partner to what they say they are looking for.

more trading opportunities = more time for profit. this friday, with my single binder i sold 3000 bulk cards for 25$. they told me in the course of a smaller trade for a disciple of bolas and 3 abrupt decays that they needed a box to hold their growing collection. rather than spend money on an empty box i offered them one filled with bulk cards. the details of that trade:

3 abrupt decay, 1 disciple of bolas 3000ct box of bulk commons and uncommons for their FNM evolving wilds, 2 parallel lives, green sun’s zenith, 2 valakut, the molten pinnacle prerelease, 3 foil coldsnap snow-covered island, 2 foil coldsnap snow-covered plains, foil jund charm, foil putrefy, foil grisly salvage, 3 m13 o-rings, 25$.

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By: Matthew Zielke https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36692 Sun, 04 Nov 2012 01:59:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36692 Is this Standard Only? I was thinkin about how to apply this to my EDH binder and put different Generals and color slices onto their own page. Right now my EDH binder is 400 cards of disorganization. I used to have multiples running up or down, but as I traded it got time consuming to be so meticulous. Having a Doran page with Treefolk/foil Slaghorn Armor/the 1/6 land/ etc. I think would really help me move the random stuff. Also, if a card doesn’t have a home in the binder maybe it needs to be replaced. I also have a smaller binder that I could keep the higher priced staples in, cards that are good in any EDH.

I noticed both of your examples are for standard. Is that because the turnover and player base is larger? Or because it is easier to identify the cards each type is likely to want? I also noticed that the add-ons are relatively inexpensive cards and I am guessing this is done on purpose? Like the items at the check out line, if the price is too big, the impulse is ignored. I’m not seeing any Overgrown Tombs on those pages, lol.

Good article. Binder presentation is like flossing, I know I should, I just need to make myself do it. 🙂

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36659 Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:00:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36659 While I like your approach in principle it sort of feels like your treating your trade binder like a little bonzai tree. Changing a little here and there just to get the perfect little tree binder. I’m sure that on a small scale this is doable, leads to more trading and profit, however moving around so many cards, making sure I have all the relevant cards to accomplish this and keeping track of all that’s popular to make sure you combine the right cards means this will get quite time consuming.

I also reckon that over the course of a trading session your perfectly crafted binder will soon degrade when new cards enter so you only have the benefit early in the session but less so later on.

Not to say I don’t see potential benefit, but it feels like too much effort to me. How long does this take you and how much time do you usually spend trading on a weekly basis?

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36597 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:51:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36597 In reply to Tyler VanBuren.

thanks. check out the ask the author forum!

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By: Tyler VanBuren https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-keep-timmy-johnny-and-spike-in-your-binder/#comment-36587 Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:47:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32431#comment-36587 I love articles like this. Practical and applicable. Great job!

Seeing the psychology behind binder organization, and trades in general, is really helpful.

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