Comments on: Insider: Week Two of Return to Ravnica https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:54:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36351 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:44:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36351 In reply to Gervaise Pechler.

It sounds like we are on the same page. I don’t have many RtR cards right now. I have a set of Angel of Serenity and 1 Trostani that I haven’t sold yet. Angel keeps creeping up in price though, with eBay auctions now ending in the $20 range. Love it!

I may pick up a set of Geists at some point, they’re just not priority for me since I do think $30 retail is a bit steep.

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By: Gervaise Pechler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36349 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:31:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36349 Thanks for the confirmation ; I am moving my Bonfires & ”overhyped” RtR cards out for stable Standard, Forgotten Modern or Awesome EDH cards. I do think GoST is somewhat stable so trading new cards for that if you do not have a playset is also a good move

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36342 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:28:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36342 In reply to pi.

I view the lagginess of BLP as another indicator, actually. When BLP’s price catches up to the actual price of a given hyped card, I know the hyped card has plateaued in value and may have peaked (in the case of Standard). I think Bonfire’s curve illustrates this nicely. As the slope decreased in early September, it was a clear indicator to get out if you hadn’t already.

I could use TCG Player numbers for future reference, but I just love the curves of BLP (as you can see :)).

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36341 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:26:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36341 In reply to pipdickenz.

You very well may be correct. I admittedly have been focusing on SCG Open events and not others, and I did hear that Geist had a larger presence at the TCG tournament. And Geist does see ample Modern play.

So the card should be more valuable than Huntmaster based on the above argument. But then again, Dark Ascension was opened much less than Innistrad so this should also be taken into account. But the lack of Legacy playability of Huntmaster may be keeping his price down. Still, if I had to make my guess, I’d expect Geist to drop more than Huntmaster in the next 6 months. But it is just a guess.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36338 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:08:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36338 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I own 1 Mountain. I play it too, as the lonely basic mountain in my Mayael deck :-). I certainly agree that it’s pimp, but so are Zendikar basics to many people. Playing the anthologies white borded Mountain with Arabian Nights symbol is pretty cool too ;-).

I’ve read in the past that BLP graphs are generally a couple of weeks behind due to the MOTL numbers they are based on (which take into account not just that day, but previous values as well). It’s the reason I’ve moved away from looking at those for recent cards that undergo quick price shifts. I think you might want to consider whether they’re good for illustrating your point as they always seem to be lagging behind on what you’re trying to argue.

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By: pipdickenz https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36337 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:34:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36337 I don’t think you’re giving Geist of Saint Traft enough credit. If you also look at the data from last weeks tcg player tournament the card was in I believe 4 top 8 decks (u/w control and u/w aggro). Reid Duke wrote an article about how the entire modern format revolves around that card.It also sees play in u/w miracles and esper stoneblade in legacy as well as being a popular edh general. Mythics that see play in every format generally hold their value.

However,being legendary and generally not a 4 of I do agree that it won’t hold a $30 pricetag until after it rotates.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36336 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:27:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36336 In reply to Tim Freyder.

Well done! Do you think the price has stabilized at $26? I’m wondering if they may drop a little further, to be on part with Entreat the Angels, for example.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36335 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:26:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36335 In reply to pi.

Haha, you know you were the one who brought P3K cards into my focus. I am still amazed at the price growth some of these cards have gone through. I just wish I was on board when you were!

As for the rarity of AN Mountain, you’re absolutely right that rarity is a key price driver. People perceive AN Mountains as “pimp” too due to their rarity. Often times I see Legacy burn decks running all AN Mountains to show off. I used to have one about 8 years ago and at that time, it was my most valuable card. But it’s long gone now.

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By: Tim Freyder https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36334 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:32:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36334 Picking up bonfired @ $26 ea after selling all my copies for $40, sweetness

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2012/10/insider-week-two-of-return-to-ravnica/#comment-36330 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:18:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=32653#comment-36330 Mountain is a C1, like Maze of Ith in The Dark, though about 10x more rare. There have been an estimated 31.000 in existence (http://www.usc.edu/dept/Deckmasters/archive/mtg/printrun.txt). Now imagine you were playing when Arabian Nights was released. You had no idea of rarity and this was just a basic land, sleeves were a rare sight and you probably did not envision Magic to stick around for nearly 20 years so when you were done with it, how likely were you to not just throw away the cards? What is the likelihood of any Mountains you opened surviving to this day in NM condition? (If at all) I reckon at least a lot less likely than something as special as a Library of Alexandria that is equally rare. The price of this card is more a reflection of its rarity than anything else.

As far as rarity is concerned, P3K rares are generally estimated to be in the same ballpark for all 4 languages it was printed in together. I find that a little hard to believe, but I would not be surprised if the print run for English only was indeed that small (and if the other estiates are right it just strengthens my point). P3K being a starter level product and from a set not made tournament legal for years after makes it similarly likely that cards were lost or damaged over the years. Considering this you would expect any P3K rare that’s remotely playable to go pretty high. Just consider how high Imperial Recruiters have gone by now and that’s an uncommon… Almost any P3K investment I’ve made over the years can now be easily sold for double if not more. Diaochan is a great card for EDH both as a general or as part of the main deck. Many people like the diplomatic aspects of multiplayer and that’s where she shines.

I wonder what inspired you to mention P3K ;-).

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