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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44080 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:27:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44080 In reply to maxiewawa.

Probably…the word “scruple” is just fun to say…no matter how it’s said…scruple! scruple! scruple!

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44079 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:26:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44079 In reply to Zeke Davis.

Thanks. I don’t have any call on that one, but I’ll talk to Doug/Kelly and see if they want to move it, I know that normally premium members want the spec targets because hey..you’re paying to be premium so you should make your money for it. But I felt the subjects needed to be discussed and I’m thrilled to see so many comments.

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By: Zeke Davis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44069 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:22:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44069 I think this is the kind of article that needs to not be premium as I would love to link to it for some people at my LGS.

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By: PaxAttack https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44032 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:36:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44032 I think the living would envy the dead

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By: maxiewawa https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44031 Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:27:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44031 I think instead of “scrupleless” you mean “unscrupulous”! 😉

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44027 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:56:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44027 In reply to pi.

Fair enough..you are correct that in the end the result is the same with intentions being irrelevant to that result.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44023 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:27:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44023 In reply to David Schumann.

My point was rather that while we might not be causing the problem, we are part of it anyway. Whether or not there would be malicious intentions is irrelevant.

I hoped to underline your final point of making people think about what they are doing and expand it to people who might not actually be aware they are contributing to the problem.

Obviously ALWAYS think about what you’re purchasing.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44022 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:14:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44022 In reply to pi.

It is very difficult to determine whether a card is really hot or the market is indeed being manipulated…to make matters worse the speed at which runs on cards can occur means that any hesitation can cost you. I don’t have a big issue if people buy a card because it’s selling out (I personally prefer to determine for myself whether I want to buy in or not, but I’m not here to judge) because the people who do this aren’t doing it with malicious intentions (unlike those choosing to manipulate the market). It’s not always easy to distinguish between the two..but deep down you know which category you fall into.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44019 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:55:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44019 While I think many on QS indeed practice speculation and I do doubt that the manipulation is caused by one of the active members, I do feel there’s another aspect to consider: many here actively search for underpriced cards. If a card like Hall shoots up, it is likely not one of us starting it, however, we do notice what happens and start looking for shops and other sellers that haven’t yet gotten the memo. We might not be the cause, but if we buy all the cheap copies the original manipulator missed we do contribute to it.

I will certainly admit to being guilty of doing this. I frequently browse through a store’s entire inventory looking for undervalued cards and I definitely make sure to check the latest risers on MTGStocks.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44018 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:46:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44018 In reply to Joel Falcou.

Agreed…What many shops don’t understand is…that with most of these cards they got them considerably cheaper than what they were selling them for originally, so they are trading a repeat customer (as I doubt Kyle will ever purchase from them again) for POTENTIALLY a little more profit (as you said..if nobody buys them at the new price..they aren’t worth that).

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44017 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:45:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44017 In reply to Joel Falcou.

I’m not disagreeing..I got the QS alert and there’s actually justification for it’s jump. I honestly believe Thrun may fall in that category as well…as Jund players keep looking for a 4 drop to replace BBE, Thrun is honestly not a bad choice. But Hall of the Bandit Lord…this one screams Market Manipulation as it hasn’t had a showing in anything so unless some player has broken a format with a deck running lots of these and secretly bought them all out, it’s most likely straight up manipulation.

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By: Joel Falcou https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44011 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:10:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44011 In reply to Kyle Falbo.

this is the worst of this : bad shop practices becoming obvious :/

i dont understand how you may *not want* to sell. What if this HotBL crash tomorrow, who gonna cry over this ? The shop, not you

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44007 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:30:15 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44007 In reply to JonyFerreira.

I agree..I don’t want a 4-card order limit..I myself like to buy 2-6 playsets when speculating, but my point is that if people keep manipulating the market, shops will fear losing potential profits and will lay down a blanket card order limit, which will really hurt us speculators.

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By: Kyle Falbo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44004 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:38:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44004 Yesterday I got No Sir’d on a 3x Hall of the Bandit Lord order I’d placed over the weekend. I didn’t mind getting denied as much as I was surprised that a shop would cancel a $4.50 order.

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By: Joel Falcou https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-44000 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:51:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-44000 i think bloodhall is a regular spec target. The deck it is playe din may have some success later on. The other are of course completely shady stuff.

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By: JonyFerreira https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-43998 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:44:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-43998 But a better way for shops to stop this kind of buy and dump is if they only buy 1/2 playsets from each player

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By: JonyFerreira https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/02/insider-touch-of-the-eternal-scruples-in-a-scrupleless-world/#comment-43997 Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=36458#comment-43997 four-card limits on orders is very bad. I think 8 or 12 is very reasonable. Sometimes you buy a playset for you and one for one friend, or 1 to play and 1 to trade

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