Comments on: Jason’s Archives: Making Trades, Losing Readers https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: dominios peru https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-53078 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:04:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-53078 You could definitely see your enthusiasm within the work you write. The world hopes for more passionate writers like you who are not afraid to mention how they believe. At all times follow your heart.

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By: Chad Eveland https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51937 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:10:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51937 wasnt a bash really. People have been doing this for a long while now and trading in general has been absolutely no fun for a long time. Just stating this article should have been written 2 years ago by someone and never really was.

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By: Mickeal Bagwell https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51925 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:46:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51925 In reply to JasonAlt.

Bah. Kids these days.

Excuse me, while I go put on my Zubaz.

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51899 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 04:41:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51899 In reply to Chad Eveland.

Thanks for the feedback. It\’s always good to get constructive criticism from a fan.

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By: Chad Eveland https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51889 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 01:30:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51889 The first half of this article should have been written 2 years ago.

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51870 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:57:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51870 In reply to Mickeal Bagwell.

You\’re subject to ridicule for having to ask

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By: kakwann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51864 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:28:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51864 In reply to JasonAlt.

i know he likes to trade up just like i like to trade up. And seriously, i hate when other people do counter-offer when i’m trading someone else but if i was aware he was doing that kind of trade, i would have offer something else for that abrupt decay in a “fairer” trade than that shit.

The way to behave is not to tell everyone : “don’t trade with my friend, he’s trying to screw you” or i won’t keep friends for long 😛 Half of the people there probably didn’t know it was that much a terrible trade. so they will tolerate it for now. I think keeping his “shark appetite” lower and make him realize that he is doing a bad thing for everyone is a first step. I actually like that one : “don’t shit where you eat”

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By: kakwann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51861 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:32:09 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51861 In reply to kakwann.

this guy*

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By: kakwann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51860 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:31:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51860 In reply to Mickeal Bagwell.

i know that 😛 if you think about it… this guys almost make the prices for whole MTG community. Everyone look a bit at SCG before doing their own price.

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By: Mickeal Bagwell https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51820 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:37:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51820 Ummm… I think I wear “straight-billed hats”. I think. Are these just baseball hats that people haven’t bent all to hell? Don’t tell me the gangbangers have stolen this away from me? I don’t like to bend my hats… it destroys my peripheral vision, and makes me nervous.

Am I still subject to ridicule if I wear my non-bent hat facing directly forward, and not at some awkward angle?

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By: Mickeal Bagwell https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51819 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 05:33:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51819 In reply to kakwann.

Ben Bleiweiss is THE price setter for StarCityGames.

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By: Patrick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51806 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 01:54:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51806 For some reason I always seem to attract sharks, perhaps because my trade binder is set up in a way – mixed with great stuff, uncommons, and random stuff. Either way, this binder is all stuff that I want to trade or sell. I had a guy actually laugh at me when I started telling him prices. I said “laugh all you want, but this shit is jank to me – you dont get to see my real binder with the dual lands, vintage, and legacy stuff” – “I’ll sell you that drowned catacomb at 4$, and laugh at you because I was smart and picked them up when they could be got for 2$. – You can have my leftovers, which I would rather turn into $$ anways… Think of it as me doing you a favor” Then he felt stupid, and handed over the cash. Everyone else in the room laughed at him.

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51800 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:57:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51800 In reply to kakwann.

I think it takes the entire store tolerating that kind of behavior out of your friend to let it continue. I may sound like a corny douchebag sometimes but I really am all about building up the LGS, and that involves getting and keeping new players. Things like the event decks help. Things like burning someone\’s entire binder for an $8 card don\’t. I think \”You can only skin the sheep once\” is a pretty universally-understood idiom and I can\’t honestly think of a better one. I\’ve been using \”don\’t shit where you eat\” but I think I like yours better.

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51799 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 00:54:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51799 In reply to Sean Johnson.

Oh man, ban a guy for speculating? How much of a hypocrite would THAT make me?

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51787 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 23:04:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51787 Another great article that I really enjoyed. I have definitely had times where I gave up trying to trade when the sharks were out…but I’ve found (like you did) that setting up shop and being more easy going is a lot better way to trade…and I always quote prices accurately..nothing sours a trade faster then under pricing their card (even unknowingly) and being proven wrong.

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By: kakwann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51782 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:23:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51782 1. Nice article as always!

2. Who’s Ben Bleiwess? another speculator? LOL 😛

3. With SCG price being so strange compared to certains sites, i noticed what you’r saying so i have almost no worry to make money on a SCG “fair” trade when trading the right cards. knowing what site the other trader want to use always give you a edge if your at the beginning of the trade. just watch it when they do sales, they sometime have lowers price than tgc low

4. I had a bad experience of last week, one of my friend did the “bad guy”. I was mad at him. He asked me the price of abrupt decay, 2 gitaxian probe promo and one other card. Off my head without phone i said btw 8-10, about a buck or 2, and about 2 for the last one. We all heard the story of that guys in SCGopens that was trading anything for crap rares at 7¢ and then, he would go to the stores and trading them at 10¢ each and 30% margin at least by ripping off people. Well, my friend did it… he told the guy : “i trade it for 140 craps rare!” And the noob did it. my friend told me the guy knew what he was doing, but as i said to him later : “nobody would do this, if he knew what he was doing” (i was unaware of that part of the trade until the end of the night.) the thing is, not only the guy gave him 10¢ rare but he gave him real dollar rares, there were even a frontline medic and a slaugther games in it…

My issue in this “trade” is that it was at a small LGS during a FNM. Half of the poeple bring their homebrew with penny sleeves.

Later after the FNM, I tried to explain to him that was bad trade for everyone!!! Poor casual players would trade 0.10-0.50¢ cards between each other (hell i even saw 2 guys buying 6 boosters together and split the each common like they were 5 dollar rares!). The thing i hate about those kind of trades is that you’r destroying your onw casual community! This guy now have almost 0 casual crappy card for the other casual players around. My friend destroyed many potential trades and much fun those casual players would have. For a 10 dollars trade, he might have screw the fun of many players. 10¢ cards are sometime like pure gold for those players. This guy will probably keep in memories that he now has a crappy deck that dont wins but hell, he has a abrupt decay and a empty binder (and than quitting magic in a month or two)

“You can shear a sheep many times, but you can skin him only once”

(sorry for english… i’m francophone!)

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By: Sean Johnson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51763 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:19:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51763 Have you considered blocking Ben B from your eBay account? I have him and a bunch of other shops blocked after a few bouts of speculating. Gives you the couple extra hour edge to remove the listing once you see it’s gone up.

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By: Dustin B. https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51752 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:32:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51752 Your offer intrigues me. Do you have any more details? Can I trade it for a Mox?

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By: Patrick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51731 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:17:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51731 Trading is an important aspect to Magic, after all it is a “trading card game”.

As long as both parties are happy at the end, and one has not intentionally sharked a new player, then go for it.

I’ve told countless people to f-off if they start to have a less than humble attitude about trading. I do that in a way to make them feel stupid in a room full of people, and then no one will ever trade with them again.

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By: Diogo Marques https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/04/jasons-archives-making-trades-losing-readers/#comment-51718 Tue, 16 Apr 2013 10:48:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=37431#comment-51718 Very nice article!!

I myself like to trade, there is always something to gain in trading, even if you are only recycling those stagnant cards in your binder.

The reality of trading in Portugal is very different from the US, it´s usually small events, where most people will not have cards for trade,and most of them will have a phone with internet, making it challenging at the very least.

What i do is what you mention, i just take a seat in a spot where other players will be passing by, open my binders (make sure to keep some shiny stuff in the front page) and sit there chatting with friends or other players, and preety much like a fisherman just wait until someone bites.

I´ve figured out this is actually the best way to do it, in bigger events i do the same but choose a place near other traders. I believe that the casually standing there with the binders open, sends a message to your trade partner that is exactly the opposite of the guy who scours every corner of the room and asks everyone for trades, and will rip you off if you blink.

Most of the people i ever traded with always come to me for more trades, and sometimes even mention some past transactions saying: “Hey remember when i trade you X for Y?…You really had me there” then we both laugh and i just offer him something more in the new trade.

I feel that in trading the most important is to have a good attitude about it.

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