Comments on: Insider: Constructing a Magic Mutual Fund https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:43:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Kazabet https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-59154 Thu, 18 Jul 2013 16:44:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-59154 Let me know when you start taking investors! 🙂

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58983 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:07:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58983 In reply to Sean Donner.

@Sean ask in the forums. unlike traditional stocks, its quite easy to get a price outside of a historical trading range. for example: promo scavenging ooze sold for 5$ at m14 prerelease by some guy.

just using trading tools, you could set up a portfolio and check on its value weekly, updating total value/ making and documenting changes someplace else wouldn’t be too hard.

i am probably just going to put together a binder of stuff (not worried too much about total value, just maintaining the % per card rule) and go from there. if this happens in an efficient and sensible manner i might make it an article and dedicate future articles to changes, exp.

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By: Sean Donner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58969 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:19:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58969 I’m definitely up for competing funds. If we are going to do a fantasy baseball league of sorts, I think we should limit it to 50 as mentioned. The biggest question in my mind is, **where can I find historical price data in a format that I can load into excel?*

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58967 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:32:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58967 In reply to Mathieu Malecot.

then we can have competing funds, lol.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58966 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:32:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58966 In reply to Kaitlin Gross.

selling online would NOT require higher margins. smaller margins only require more volume (more sales) to be justified.

we can all use the new Trader Tools to create a list of our portfolios and easily track gains/losses/changes from week to week, this way – thank you Kelly :

http://www.quietspeculation.com/tt2/

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By: Kaitlin Gross https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58959 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 07:41:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58959 yea this was a great article. Id be interested in hearing your thoughts on doing this through online sales (where shipping + fees complicates things and thusly demand higher than 1% right?). I could be missing something Im very new to more hardcore financial side of all this.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58937 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:56:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58937 In reply to Sean Donner.

thanks for your comments. i am trying to sleep before prerelease but these good ideas are running around my head.

grades should probably include growth prospects.

side note: hard article to write, glad people enjoying. goodnight and GL to all prerelease participants tonight.

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By: Sean Donner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58934 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:58:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58934 Looking back at the article and what I put, 500 assets would not be a reasonable amount for most people, but I think 50 would be. It would be real sweet to see what the QS50 portfolio should be and then we could use our collective knowledge to apply some speculative valuation to increase/decrease its current return which in turn would alter the holdings of each card. I.e., if we used letter grades and Dark Confidant was in the portfolio he would get an ‘A’ rating leading up to modern season and something that was about to rotate and lose considerable value would be a ‘D’ or ‘F’. The net effect would be that the number of Bobs in our portfolio would go up.

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By: Sean Donner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58931 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:52:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58931 I’m at work right now so I’m blocked from sites like mtgstocks and blacklotusproject, but do those sites provide the historical prices of cards in text format? If so, we could actually apply some portfolio theory and create an efficient frontier of magic card portfolios. If we assume that the historical return of say non-blue dual lands is the risk-free rate, we could draw the capital market line and pick out what the market portfolio should be — essentially creating our own S&P500 for magic cards, call it the QS500?

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58928 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:41:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58928 In reply to David Schumann.

i don’t think grinding 1000$+ is an issue. you can add new positions so you aren’t holding 20 positions @1000$ but 100, or something in between.

selling isn’t as tricky as maintaining churn because 1% return rate per position isn’t that big of a threshold making buy-listing an option.

@Sig- IF successful? IF!?! i have no intention of managing other peoples money. that puts fear into me. i prefer to lose and win alone, but i encourage anyone to put together a list of cards worth 100$ including at least 20 different cards. you don’t have to shell out cash to get started and you can start with any amount – just maintain the max 5% of bankroll per position rule to clue you when to sell/ add a position.

i might put one of these together in a binder and grind out from that binder but i am not going to get near the volume required ’cause i am not a store (people don’t come to my house every day looking to trade/buy). i will like making a binder like this and have no problem keeping people updates. so i’ll try and make a series of it.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58927 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:32:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58927 In reply to aregand.

if you started with 1000$ it would be easier in theory because 1% is 10 bucks, so yeah- suddenly you can include shocks and a whole lot of other cards without double weighting too many.

the thing to keep in mind is maintaining enough positions to hedge risk (although things like everyone quits MtG are not hedge-able you CAN hedge banning, rotation imo) and making sure you don’t allow a single position to = more than 5% of total bankroll. the 5% is a bit arbitrary, but again designed to keep you diversified and churning so you can get the volume needed to accept lower overall ROI.

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By: Mathieu Malecot https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58926 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:27:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58926 In reply to Jason Ruspini.

Jason, 1% is just the minimum gain required. i do expect it to be much easier than that to increase virtual worth (trades) and real retuns (sales); i expect a better than 1% roi in other words. the hardest part isn’t getting 1% or better roi, its getting transactions done.

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By: aregand https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58923 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:03:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58923 What if you did something similar but on a larger scale – say 1000 dollars. What would you get for your portfolio then? MtG REIT- Add more real estate- shocks, fetches , duals etc. seems good. Others?

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By: Jason Ruspini https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58920 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:32:15 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58920 One thing I don’t understand here is that we’re talking about grinding a 1% edge but the bid-ask spread on these cards is say 35%. It would be interesting if someone did an article series on this with periodic updates, but I would like to see cards only outed by buy list, so you are going to begin with a realistic loss. Closing positions by trades isn’t replicable.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58916 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:23:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58916 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I was actually wondering the same thing…sounds like a very cool idea. At $100 worth of card it wouldn’t be too difficult to unload, I do see potential issues if you don’t own a shop with doing larger amounts (like $1000 “funds”)..but I love the idea. The only other problem I see is that given Matt is the only “investor” this seems less like a fund and more like a $100 worth of speculation choices (many of which I agree with…except Tragic Slip…given it rotates in 3 months and it’s a common that doesn’t really see any eternal play)

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/07/insider-constructing-a-magic-mutual-fund/#comment-58915 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:14:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=39556#comment-58915 This is really a neat idea. If successful, will you increase the bankroll and allow people to “invest” in your mutual fund? If you provide a detailed prospectus (as you kind of did above), I’d be willing to throw $100 at a Magic Mutual Fund to get some exposure to MTGO without having to actually do any work. Naturally you’d be entitled to a small fee :).

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