Comments on: Insider: Canceled Orders – Can They Do That? https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:40:51 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jared Elick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-68591 Mon, 04 Nov 2013 01:09:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-68591 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

Good luck with that, they still haven’t added Anthologies cards as I requested 5 months ago. It’s really annoying to have to try to sell cards in person because TCGPlayer won’t hold them in stock.

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By: Psilence6K https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-67358 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:34:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-67358 In reply to Psilence6K.

Must say tho, my investment into Daxos isn’t doing so well yet haha 😛

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By: Psilence6K https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-67357 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:33:57 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-67357 I have big props to:

1) Troll & Toad: Bought out their Master of Waves @ $6 and they’ve (apparently) shipped.

2) Cool Stuff Inc: Bought a bunch of Boon Satyr @ $1 (Pre-order) and they’ve already arrived (and been traded / sold lol)

GG to those stores that honor their own sell prices! 🙂

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By: theboozecube https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-67257 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:56:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-67257 In reply to Alex Gislason.

Reasonableness is one of the most primitive operative terms throughout all areas the law (“primitive” meaning it can’t really be broken down further). Rather, specific examples of what is or isn’t “reasonable” for a given legal rule using the term are elucidated through the facts of specific cases.

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By: theboozecube https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-67250 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:35:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-67250 In reply to Alex Gislason.

You can vary the UCC by agreement because Section 1-302(a) specifically allows you to, except where it says you can’t. And under 1-302(b), some of the things you can’t vary by agreement are the obligations of “good faith” and “reasonableness,” which are default terms of every contract under 1-304. With this in mind, it’d be extremely unlikely that a court would ever enforce a contract for the sale of goods where the seller can unilaterally cancel a buyer’s order for any reason and provide no refund or other remedy.

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By: theboozecube https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-67248 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:25:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-67248 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

Actually, I think both of y’all stole this one from me, seeing as I was ranting about it at GP Vegas when we were all sitting outside on Sunday night.

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By: Nick Baker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66971 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:41:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66971 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

There were 2 or 3 people talking about MoW a couple weeks before the PT, Mark Nestico was one. I picked up quite a few in random trades with people wanting out of them. Risk was negligable, at $2 a copy the card would be utilized at some point. On the hand, great article! Anything that makes buying online a more transparent process is good for this community.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66894 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:18:38 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66894 In reply to Alex Gislason.

Doug (or Scott, if he sees this) are the lawyers to talk to. I’m just the writer who listens to their opinions.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66892 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:17:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66892 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

Either way, it’s a topic I’ve thought about writing on for awhile, and I think the two articles compliment each other.

Not to mention your article was submitted on Oct. 14 and I brought this up on Oct. 13 😉

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66891 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:12:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66891 In reply to JasonAlt.

Great minds think alike, then?

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By: yuka https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66864 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:21:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66864 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

I did buy up a bunch of Master of Waves when they were at $6, and I’m all sold out by now. Of course I did not know mono-blue would go on to be the biggest thing around; but what I did know was that the Master is a 6+ power for four mana that has to be killed right away, and that can’t be killed by red or green decks. I bought them at presale prices and thought I would have to wait for a year to sell them.

Sometimes we just need to look at a card for what it’s worth, instead of going by others’ opinions or historical performances. The good thing about Magic (as opposed to say, the stock market) is that everything’s transparent. A card’s strengths and weaknesses are all written on the paper. We just have to build decks and playtest them. (And how else do you know if a card is good or not?)

Btw, I don’t think there is anything (in Standard) worth buying right now. Everything seems high. Except maybe Hammer of Purphoros (@$1.5), but maybe not even that.

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By: Alex Gislason https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66862 Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:19:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66862 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

Do you know the legal difference between the two situations? If we are allowed to break UCC with a disclaimer I wonder what other laws can be circumvented?

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By: JasonAlt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66838 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:04:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66838 In reply to Corbin Hosler.

Mine was written and submitted before you even mentioned it.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66837 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:00:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66837 In reply to QED2.

But I like that show most of the time….

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66836 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:59:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66836 In reply to David Schumann.

Yeah, it’s really easy to say “buy long before the price goes up.” Which Jace, sure that was easy to see coming and worked for us. But that’s not always how this market works. The Master of Waves deck didn’t even exist as a serious thing until the week before the PT when the Pros brewed it up.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66835 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:58:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66835 In reply to Alex Gislason.

I have to imagine that’s not legal, because when a seller refunds the money the buyer is back where they started, which would not be the case in that circumstance.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66834 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:57:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66834 In reply to David Schumann.

I’m hearing that they are going to police this issue.

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By: Corbin Hosler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66833 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:57:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66833 In reply to Stefan Theard.

After shamelessly stealing my idea and quoting zero lawyers, you mean.

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By: Stefan Theard https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66831 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:53:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66831 In reply to JasonAlt.

bahaha, shots fired

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By: aregand https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/10/insider-canceled-orders-can-they-do-that/#comment-66822 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:20:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41514#comment-66822 In reply to Alex Gislason.

Well UCC does say as above

“You absolutely cannot cancel a sales contract because the underlying asset went up in price. It’s Uniform Commercial Code Art. 2. 2-713 says that the seller is liable for the current market price of the goods, not what they were when you contracted for them. Since these are interchangeable goods (not a golfball-shaped water tower) the seller must either make you whole with the goods or make you whole with the benefit of the bargain–the current market value.

Guess it would be up to a lawyer / judge to decide what reasonable is but again as Corbin stated would be too expensive to litigate.

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