Comments on: Insider: Finding Value in Theros https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:40:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Yale https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69526 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:14:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69526 In reply to wilderness.

This is a good comparison and I picked up a few of these. The problem is GW isn’t that great of a deck right now, although Craig Wescoe championed it. The problem with fleecemane is that it fits into one deck and one deck only, similar to loxodon.

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By: Matt Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69493 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:46:05 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69493 In reply to wilderness.

This seems like a fine idea. As a deck, G/W is basically totally off the map, so there’s lots of room for growth if the metagame shifts. Shop around, spread out your purchases, and try and catch the dips. It doesn’t look like there’s going to be a big run on this guy, so you’ve got time until Born of the Gods shakes thing up.

The comparison to Loxodon Smiter is probably a good way to think about it, so a sell target would be 1.5 tix in February.

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By: wilderness https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69448 Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:37:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69448 Hi Matt,

nice article, I think you’re probably right about Xenagos – it see’s a fair bit of play too.

One card I’ve identified as ‘good value’ is fleecemane lion. It’s down to like 0.7 tix at the moment and see’s a lot of play. I feel it’s very similar to a card like loxodon smiter which hovers around 1.5 consistently.

Other factors are the price disparity between paper and online is huge for fleecemane.

Online – Paper

fleecemane: 0.7 – 5.3

loxodon: 0.8 – 3.66

how do you feel about this target and if you like it what do you think a good sell target is?

cheers

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By: Matt Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69308 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 20:11:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69308 In reply to Bart Siwek.

I think there are many better opportunities than Thoughtseize. While Thoughtseize will be played, you are fighting a flood of supply. Better to look towards cards that will be played, but aren’t seeing fresh supply all the time. Try Scapeshift instead.

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By: Matt Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69307 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 20:09:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69307 In reply to koen_knx.

I don’t see how that is possible. It would be unprecedented. See Snapcaster Mage and Deathrite Shaman for two recent examples of what a Fall set rare can do in the months after its release.

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By: Bart Siwek https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69301 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 19:22:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69301 One question about Thoughtseize. The LWR version is holding 15 tix even after the THS was released. While I think you are right with it being Fully Prices in Standard is there some value of getting those for modern as a long term spec?

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By: Bart Siwek https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69300 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 19:19:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69300 In reply to Matt Lewis.

Thanks for the answer. I don’t mind waiting, but I was curious about a time frame here.

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By: koen_knx https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69265 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:34:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69265 In reply to Matt Lewis.

I thought i read on the forum somewhere thoughtseize might go up to 12 in the next months, guess you don’t believe in that scenario ?

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By: Matt Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69254 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 13:06:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69254 In reply to koen_knx.

The only rares that have value are ones that aren’t being played, but might be played in the future. The prices for Thoughtseize, Hero’s Donwfall and Nykthos are in a long term decline so I see no fundamental reason to speculate on them at this time.

Try Polis Crusher instead. It’s showing up in Block Constructed.

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By: Matt Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69253 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 13:04:11 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69253 In reply to Bart Siwek.

Well, 0.35 tix is around the price floor for a junk mythic, so there’s not much downside. It’s hard to predict exactly when a currently drafted junk mythic will increase in price enough in order to sell it. You might be waiting until M15 or next Fall as usually there is some demand at that time. Redemption for THS has opened, but drafting is still putting a lot of supply into the market.

Also, it could be time to revise buying practices around junk mythics. It’s possible the new redemption fee has changed it so there’s not much value in speculating on junk mythics anymore. We’ll see.

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By: koen_knx https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69220 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 07:23:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69220 I think you really had to dig deep to find a card to give good value. It’s a pitty you didn’t rate the better rares (thougtseize, nykthos) because those are interesting for speculators too.

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By: ilovetix https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69211 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 05:47:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69211 In reply to Matthew Lewis.

ty matt,i will look around other than THS cards,maybe boosters ,lol

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By: Bart Siwek https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69199 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 03:46:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69199 Newbie here. I have a question about Medomai, redemption and how the speculation on this is suppose to work.

A while ago I’ve seen a bunch of people on twitter saying that it’s tine to get in on this card (it was 0.35 tix then). I did get 10 copies of the card around 0.4 since it moved up during a few hours. What now?

From what I see the target price to sell this is 0.6. Right?

When should this happen – this month (since redemption started) or when next set is released (since this one will be opened less) or when they are about to rotate out of Standard?

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By: Matthew Lewis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69145 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:19:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69145 In reply to ilovetix.

Thanks for reading!

RTR singles saw price increases after the release of GTC because of the switch away from triple RTR draft. This time it’s different as draft goes from TTT to BTT to JBT, so Theros will be continually opened for about 8 months. If you look back to how Scars of Mirrodin prices moved, they bottomed in and around New Phyrexia release events. That will be a good time to buy THS cards in general, but it’s a long ways off.

THS boosters will be a safe and easy spec to make in the mean time. By January, interest in triple THS draft should be waning somewhat, but queues will still be awarding THS boosters. Prices on these should soften to around 3 tix. I’d be a buyer of THS boosters at that time for 3.2 tix or less.

Once Born of the Gods is released, prizes will switch to these packs, and draft queues will award a lop sided number of packs (more Born of the Gods than Theros). These facts will eventually force the price of THS boosters higher as the online supply steadily dwindles. I expect to be able to sell THS boosters in the 3.5 to 3.9 tix range by the release of Journey Into Nyx.

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By: ilovetix https://www.quietspeculation.com/2013/11/insider-finding-value-in-theros/#comment-69128 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:49:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=41868#comment-69128 hi,matt,nice ideas~

u really think theres no chance of THS in next 8 month?

compare with RTR, did RTR rise from June,2013?(i cant get on Goldfish right now)

and the lowest price of RTR pack is 2.6 and THS now is 3.5 ,far from the bottom

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