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By: Salvador Keagy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-121451 Tue, 08 Jul 2014 09:23:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-121451 Heya i am for the first time here. I found this board and I find It really useful & it helped me out much. I hope to give something back and help others like you helped me.

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By: Angus https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-94229 Fri, 25 Apr 2014 01:04:15 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-94229 I would mull this. Having Thoughtseize and Duress are great available plays (optimal really) however if you miss land on your first draw you are putting yourself behind the game on Rat strategy which is where I believe you want to be with this hand. Thinking about how your opponent can hurt this keep would be my main concern as it is likely they will have a similar capacity to strip which just leaves this as a really rough ride.

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By: Vincent Pascoe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-93587 Tue, 22 Apr 2014 21:13:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-93587 really great breakdown. (finacialy Im amazed how offten lifebane zombie in maindecked.)

love the mull question

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By: alex evans https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-90020 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:24:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-90020 would deff mull that hand. to much dependency on hitting 2 lands in the next 2 draw steps. that’s all the reasoning you need :3. you just lose if you don’t hit those lands.

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By: Cedryc https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-89607 Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:12:25 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-89607 In reply to Rob Imbs.

It’s funny because at my last FNM I got the same hand has this one except for erebos. I decide to keep. It took 10 turn to get my second land! Sometime Mtg is all about luck… because my opponant had a hand full of land and discard spell like Mind rot and Ragdos return. I don’t know how but hé didn’t kill me with that advantage and I finally won that game. Like I said, sometime Mtg is all about luck.

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By: Loran87 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87758 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:21:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87758 In reply to AdamYurchick.

Thanks for your comment. Effectively my local meta is so aggro and burn. I gone to try some things. Maybe Pharika’s cure.
Thanks again for your article.

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By: AdamYurchick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87638 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:00:56 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87638 In reply to Loran87.

The Burn matchup is tough, but its completely winnable. if the draws line up correctly you will win. The link you posted in another comment shows very close games, and had the black player drawn action earlier he would have won. There are always going to be difficult matchups, and you have to accept that fact. Splashing something is certainly not the answer. if you continue to struggle to beat burn and it makes up a large portion of your local meta I suggest playing a different deck.

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By: AdamYurchick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87628 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:09:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87628 In reply to Alex.

Lifebane Zombie maindeck is fine, but not over Nightveil Specter. Nightveil is better against a much larger portion of the metagame, and its better in this deck in vacuum because it provides more devotion.

Drown in Sorrow is a great card, but the standard metagame has no real weenie decks. if it did, i would be playing drown in sorrow. its great for a niche local metagame that might exist.

pithing needle is excellent, its best against planeswalkers. I lost to RUG walkers at the GP and would have loved to have had pithing needle. its strong vs esper too. owen suggested some in the sb of his most recent list.

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By: Loran87 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87622 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:52:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87622 Like this
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MOi_y_s0gys

Not a great player for Black.
But it´s burn so hard.

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By: AdamYurchick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87617 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:33:09 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87617 In reply to Soren.

Pack Rat is critical against the control decks. It is the cheapest aggression in the deck, and are capable of beating down control decks. Turn two pack rat, end of turn make a rat turn 3, turn 4 activate mutavault attack for 8 is a very strong play. often the presence of rat in itself is a threat, and it will draw a supreme verdict.

Monoblack beats sphinx decks by playing more threats than they have answwers, and pack rat is critical in maintaining that high threat density. it can almost be thought of as something like a Spellskite or flagbearer that protects the better plays up the curve, Nightveil and Demon.

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By: AdamYurchick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87616 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:30:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87616 In reply to David Pendock.

Thank you for the comment David! Your insight was valuable for me at the GP. How to board against Monoblue has always been contested, and the way I suggested differs from what a lot of people have written about.

Tempo is a huge element of the match in the early turns, and then it often devolves into normal control vs creature game where attrition wins out.

I think the best approached is a balanced one. At the GP I beat both Uw and MonoU, and in boarding I opted to to cut 2 Demon, 2 Underworld, and 2 Downfall, to fit in the 6 sb cards, and that’s how I’ll do it going forward.

The matches vs those decks were intense, I won two games at 1 life.

In one match I cut another Downfall for a Dark Betrayal, the big tempo blowout might be worth the risk.

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By: AdamYurchick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87615 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:19:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87615 In reply to Alex.

Against BW, Bile Blight is arguably better than Dark Betrayal because the only target for either is Pack Rat, besides stray Obzedat. They do not play Nightveil and they will cut Demon.

I think the best plan is to bring in 3 Lifebane, 2 Erebos, and 3 Duress, for 4 Downfall and 4 Demon.

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By: Loran87 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-87574 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:40:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-87574 In reply to Andrew Ward.

Hi.
I try this deck against a Burn so hot. To hot.

This list :

3 Mutavault
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
11 Mountain
4 Satyr Firedancer
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra’s Phoenix
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Shock
4 Boros Charm
4 Skullcrack
4 Lightning Strike
4 Searing Blood
4 Magma Jet
2 Warleader’s Helix

Sideboard (post 1):

4 Young Pyromancer
4 Mindsparker
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Peak Eruption

Satyr make the game.
Instant 3 damages for me and one beast out per turn.

The match up Is very bad.
The burn is to fast.
Under 10 pv on the 6nd turn.
Démon exiled and Gray merchand to late.
Splash blue to acceded to negate ???

Thanks for help

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By: Soren https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-86903 Fri, 21 Mar 2014 21:16:57 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-86903 Question: I noticed you don’t sideboard out any pack rats against detention sphere/supreme verdict decks. How aggressive/conservative do you play pack rat post board in those match ups. Thanks

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By: Vincent Galbo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-86892 Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:20:57 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-86892 You definitely mulligan in this situation. Sure, Thoughtseize into a Pack Rat — IF you get the second AND third land — is a really solid play against a monoblack deck, ASSUMING they don’t two pieces of removal. And, you’re playing the mirror! They could have their own Thoughtseize, Pack Rat combo coming your way, AND they are on the play. If they Thoughtseize away your Thoughtseize and play a Pack Rat on their turn two, you essentially need to top deck a Dark Betrayal or just loose.

Not to mention, the best thing you could be doing is curving out and getting those Nightveil Specters and Underworld Connections online. Don’t forget you need two lands in a row to even begin the Pack Rat insanity.

This hand is completely unkeepable. Ditch it, you’re on the draw and can afford losing a card for a chance of a better hand.

Different topic, I disagree with the way you sideboard in many situations. I think taking out Gray Merchant against Esper and leaving in Pack Rat is wrong. Esper is typically running four Detention Spheres and four Supreme Verdicts. In fact, if I was on Esper, I would hope they keep Pack Rat in.

Also, I think Lifebane Zombie against a burn deck is wrong. If you do manage to get a Boros Reckoner, awesome. But most likely you’ll see a hand full of burn and a Chandra Pyromaster, which is coming down next turn to +1 your Lifebane Zombie away.

I also side out Nightveil Specter against G/R Monsters. Sure, it has some extra synergy but it’s only one more devotion than Lifebane. It still dies to Mizzium Mortars. Still dies to Domri’s Pit Fight. And a late game Pack Rat can easily win the game.

I’ve got a couple of other ideas but I don’t play the exact same monoblack deck. I’m only running 3 Underworld Connections mainboard and 1 Whip of Erebos due to the amount of Green/Red Monsters at my local meta and the amazing Lifebane/Whip Synergy going there.

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By: David Pendock https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-86858 Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:12:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-86858 I’m skeptical that that’s an optimal plan for Mono Blue. Desecration Demon MUST be answered either with a cheap instant or by investing a bunch of creatures into keeping it tapped, and Underworld Connections and Thoughtseize cost life and tempo against an aggro/tempo deck. I’m thrilled if you pay 4 mana and 1 life to Cantrip, and I’m also thrilled if you pay 1 mana, a card, and 2 life to trade with my 0 mana card. I can see how Underworld Connections could have upside, but I think Desecration Demon has that upside a much larger percentage of the time. The only card I can be playing that interacts with Desecration Demon as a proper trade is Claustrophobia, because Rapid Hybridization still leaves a Frog Lizard, and Cyclonic Rift only buys me tempo. The card really makes me use my resources in strange ways to beat it with tempo, and if you can keep my creatures until control my tempo plays are worth less and less damage.

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By: Alex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-86855 Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:56:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-86855 Actually… that 1 land hand maybe more acceptable on the play than on the draw… now that I think about it. Call me crazy… but a hand like that wants to turn 1 thoughtseize.

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By: Alex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/03/standard-sideboarding-primer-mono-black-devotion/#comment-86854 Fri, 21 Mar 2014 16:52:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=44794#comment-86854 Personally… as much as I like the one hander land… its trap. I’d have to disagree with everyone above me.

In the MBD matchup you usually keep if you have at any combination of hand disruption, packrat, and connections. Assuming your opponent did not keep a questionable hand … its pretty much a sure bet that he has at least one of these cards.

Although your hand has strong threats (making keeping the one lander seem viable)… you have no removal spells. And you’re on the play. With one land. There are three scenarios that could play out in this situation.

Scenario A) They have thoughtseize/Duress and packrat. If that’s the case… they turn 1 thoughtseize your thoughtseize and cast packrat turn 2. In this scenario only two things will save you. Top decking a dark betrayal turn 2 OR top decking another swamp + bile blight within 3 turns. That’s assuming he doesn’t have mutavault.

Scenario B) Your opponent has a solid, average hand. Filled with 1-2 removal, 1-2 guys, 1 connection/hand-disruption. In this scenario you’re one land hand is better. But its still going to be an uphill battle. If you don’t hit all of your land drops… you will most likely fall behind in this scenario unless your opponents draws nothing but lands… which can happen. But I’d personally would rather not risk it (especially if this is a game going into top 8).

Scenario C) Your opponent has a mediocer hand. Only 1-2 (maybe 3) playable cards. In this scenario… you’re fine to keep.

Personally… I feel like scenario A and B are more likely than C, so its an unfortunate mull. Is the 1 land hander acceptable? Sure. But given the potential cards your opponent has access to… the only time it would be a favorable keep is if your opponent also took a questionable hand.

Also: it depends completly on your opponent. In alot of mirror matches I have faced, people like turn 1 thoughtseizing. A turn one thoughtseize could potentially spell disaster for the above mentioned 1 land hand. If you know your opponent will not turn 1 thoughtseize you… then the hand becomes marginally better.

In order for the 1 hand lander to be playable.. you must be able to play bought hand disruption spells.

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