Comments on: Insider: Buylisting at GP Atlanta https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:35:20 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-111160 Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:00:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-111160 In reply to Jamie.

Please do. I just don’t know if SCG feels the need to bargain when it comes to buylists because they have a lot more opportunities to restock, but I’d love to know.

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By: Jamie https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-110837 Mon, 02 Jun 2014 13:54:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-110837 In reply to David Schumann.

I only ask because I’m going to an Open this weekend, and wanted to know if I should bring the ogred section to sell. I can try it out and report back to you!

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-108861 Sat, 31 May 2014 15:09:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-108861 In reply to Jamie.

I honestly didn’t try SCG. I will next time and let people know.

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By: Jamie https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-107985 Fri, 30 May 2014 21:06:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-107985 This article is excellent! I’ve been developing an ogred box, didn’t even think of a binder for it. Out of curiousity, would you [or Jason Alt, for that matter] consider ogreing to larger vendors, namely ChannelFireball or SCG? Do you know if they have any issues with it?

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-106776 Fri, 30 May 2014 12:05:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-106776 In reply to pine drewyor.

Pine,
I appreciate the feedback. I’ll admit I was a bit skeptical of the “illegality” of doing things their way, however, it does come off as shady none-the-less. If Anonymous is correct and that they pay their buyers a commission based on what they buy for vs sell then that seems like a very shady way to rip players off and encourages buyers to lowball players as best they can, which means that they’ll develop a bad reputation to sell to and discourage players from going to them. The fact that they then hide that practice with high buy prices (to encourage players to sell to them) is even more disturbing.

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By: pine drewyor https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-106124 Thu, 29 May 2014 21:31:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-106124 As an attorney, I’d doubt that bait and switch would apply. Most advertisements aren’t contracts, they are enticements to enter a contract. Buylists are even less likely to be considered a set offer of any sort. I’m only licensed in two (2) states, so your mileage in your state may vary. Please don’t take the above as legal advise or counsel.

Pine

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By: @amistod https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-106023 Thu, 29 May 2014 17:20:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-106023 Thanks for stopping by, David. I am glad to hear that Matt took care of you. Let me know if we can help with anything else.

Thomas
CardAdvantage.com

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105973 Thu, 29 May 2014 15:39:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105973 In reply to James Balyszak.

That’s definitely an interesting idea (I didn’t consider it or try it out). The one issue I had with the binder/penny sleeve approach was when I didn’t let the marker dry fast enough and it smeared inside the binder sleeve. I do think that you have a decent chance of wiping off regular dry erase marker, but it’s certainly worth trying out. I do think you not having a direct link to the highest buyer (like I did with the penny sleeves) unless you want to advertise it in the corner of the page) might require you to recheck everything afterwards if you want to unload them to an online buylist. I had a lot of cards to send to AdventuresOn that nobody at the GP wanted, so being able to quickly see which sleeves said AO was a pretty convenient methodology.

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By: James Balyszak https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105662 Thu, 29 May 2014 00:31:15 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105662 Awesome article! Great to read some first hand experience selling to retailers at a large event. Organizing a sale binder with BL prices on the sleeves sounds like a very easy and convenient way to unload stock (for both the seller and the buyer). I’ll have to give it a try.

Do you think that a dry erase marker on the actual binder page would work? Or might it get wiped away too easy? Might be able to eliminate the penny sleeves. Just a thought.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105560 Wed, 28 May 2014 20:28:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105560 In reply to Derek.

I wrote the buy price listed on MTG.GG. I did round up/down depending on if it was 0.49 (then I rounded to 0.5) or if it was 0.42 I rounded down to 0.4. My thought process was that I I could pull everything that didn’t sell out and mail it to the buyer (written on the back) so I didn’t want to just put what I “felt” it should be, I wanted to make sure that I had an acceptable buy price that I could point to if anyone was skeptical. As I mentioned the numbers sometimes got a bit tricky, especially when it’s like 0.15 cents on MTG.GG (do you round down to $0.1 and lose 50% of what you could make) or round up and risk nobody being interested. In the future I will likely avoid some of the oddball prices (0.15, 0.2, 0.3, 0.65, 0.8) and try to stick with more common prices. As you mention, that even if I have to round down on a lot I’m not paying shipping fees and they evaluate the cards in front of you (so if there are any condition issues you don’t get stuck with “well I can take what you’re offering or losing money for you to send it back”, however, I will say it’s VERY important to pre-sort on condition and think of this process like you are mailing them so that you only give the dealers cards in NMish condition otherwise you risk them losing interest in buying from you at all)

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By: Derek https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105548 Wed, 28 May 2014 19:43:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105548 Great article. I’m curious though as to how the written price relates to the highest buylist price. Did you actually just write the highest buylist price on the front? or like 85% of it to account for fees/shipping? Mostly curious if it was a mechanical process or more along the lines of how much you “felt” it was worth in regards to the buy price.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105535 Wed, 28 May 2014 19:13:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105535 In reply to Sy Johnston.

Fair enough. Looks like you found the same thing I did. Vendors are willing to work with you when you make extra effort (as they realize that you could just sell the cards to someone else).

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By: Matt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105518 Wed, 28 May 2014 18:14:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105518 In reply to David Schumann.

Just to clarify, he wasn’t using mtg.gg, I just showed him the list on my own laptop and he matched it. Still, utterly pleasant experience and hope to sell to him again.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105498 Wed, 28 May 2014 17:28:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105498 In reply to Brian Ruble.

Brian,
Thanks for working with me. I will definitely sell to you guys again as you were really easy to work with and just as easy to talk to. I hope that this article inspires more players to realize that vendors can be pretty easy to work with and are a great resource for unloading cards that your local player base can’t absorb (which would otherwise just sit in a binder/box doing nothing). I feel as a player and in this instance “seller” I really needed to emphasize the vendors who provided a great selling experience because I wanted to let them know they did a good job, I appreciated it, and that I encourage others to work with them.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105487 Wed, 28 May 2014 17:18:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105487 In reply to Sy Johnston.

Sy,
I am definitely thinking that the box approach would be far less dubious, I used the binder primarily because 1) I got it in a collection and didn’t really have a use for it otherwise, 2) it lets vendors see everything and the price really easily. I may try the box approach next time (especially since I have quite awhile before the next GP in my neck of the woods). I won’t sell cards to anyone but vendors (nor will I buy cards from anyone but vendors) at events. I’ve definitely had people walk up to me and try to sell me stuff, but I’ve had to politely thank them but pass on the opportunity.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105485 Wed, 28 May 2014 17:12:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105485 In reply to Matt.

Thanks Matt. After reading your comment, I do regret my assumption. While I do think that you can save some time by doing research on vendors ahead of time, the fact that he used MTG.GG (and that’s what I basically used, though I did visit vendors not on MTG.GG to check what they were offering, which is how I knew to bring some of the oddballs that some vendors were paying very well on); I will consider this one a lesson learned and will make sure to give all the vendors the benefit of the doubt.

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By: Brian Ruble https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105439 Wed, 28 May 2014 15:32:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105439 David, Thanks for selling cards to us at MTGDeals 🙂 It was a very smooth, enjoyable, and easy process to buy cards from you. Not many people besides Ogre actually “ogre” their cards so it was a fun adventure with a new face xD lol hope to see you at a future GP. Thanks again man

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By: Sy Johnston https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105437 Wed, 28 May 2014 15:28:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105437 Hi David,

It was nice meeting you this weekend. I have to aggree with Pasttimes; when I sat down to trade with you and saw the binder with prices marked in it, I first thought you were trying to sell the cards or something like that. I run into that occationally, but sometimes those prices are actually on the pages from a different time when the person was trying to sell them. I think carrying them in a box would be better, and one of these days when I do try ogreing cards I plan to use a box with price dividers. When it’s all seperated by price, the vendor doesn’t have to pay attention to what’s written on the sleeve.

I’ve also come accross Troll and Toad not willing to pay their site prices at events. I tried selling them bulk mythics and bulk foil rares at a GP and they said those prices are only for mailing them in. They still offer the best prices on some stuff, so I’ll just save it up and mail it in.

I do not sell to Strikezone because of issues in the past, and I’ve found Card Kingdom overly strict on card condition. Selling in person is one way to deal with that, but I’ve also had success sending orders to Card Kingdom with a note that they send back anything that they don’t consider NM. It costs a little more in shipping when they send stuff back to you, but as long as you are sending fairly large orders it’s well worth it.

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By: Matt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105425 Wed, 28 May 2014 15:12:09 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105425 While it seems like you got out really well at Atlanta, I feel like you missed out by not stopping at Ron’s. I am also terrible with names, but their main buyer worked with me quite a bit and was quite a pleasure to work with. Instead of ogreing (namely because of the fact that I was flipping a collection I bought the day before literally and didn’t have enough time to go in and label everything) he gave me the best buylist prices from mtg.gg for the entire collection. Saved me the hassle of going to any other vendor. When I went back to sell some of my personal collection the next day he upped some prices because of how much I’d already sold to him. Would do business with him again in a heart beat, and hope to see him again next time. This was my first GP, and I do believe I probably could of made a tiny bit more if I shopped bits and pieces of the collection out to all the vendors, but I got what I expected out of it this way and it saved me the hassle of shopping it to every vendor in the room and allowed me to enjoy the rest of the GP.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/05/insider-buylisting-at-gp-atlanta/#comment-105409 Wed, 28 May 2014 14:33:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=47497#comment-105409 Thanks Sigmund. On one hand, I hate hearing that other people have had bad experiences with certain vendors as well, on the other I feel better knowing it wasn’t “just me”. I feel that while the reactions were definitely mixed, they were for the most part positive. While it does seem bold, in the end, I (or anyone) is selling our cards and as the salesperson we have every right to charge what we want (the same as the vendors do). The fact that I basically told them what their competition was buying the cards for, made them accept the fact that they are in fact in competition buying the cards from me (us). If they don’t want to pay the price I’m asking, I’ll ship the cards to someone who does, plain and simple. After all, I’ve heard several writers re-iterate that turning the cards into numbers is the best/easiest/fastest way to make money. I am hoping one of our many lawyers (at least according to the love Doug’s post about the WoTC lawsuit) will chime in regarding the “buying for below their own buylist” issue, as one of my business friends warned it might be considered a “bate and switch” which is something that can be sued over.

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