Comments on: Insider: The Legacy of M15…And More! https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:33:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123729 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:19:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123729 In reply to Chaos.

Glad you agree.

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By: Cooper https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123704 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:45:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123704 In reply to David Schumann.

If you look on mtggoldfish I’ve been going 4-0 and 3-1 ever since Vintage constructed was released online, the deck has been having great success, even though on the surface people think it’s a joke ( i mean, i play exava and huntmaster haha ). But alas, after the matches they see the deck is a real threat that can hit them from many angles. The idea with sage might be a different take on the deck, indeed with a shaman theme as you noticed. As prophetic flamespeaker, drs, gorilla, and soon reclamation are all shamans. I think there could indeed be something there, but it will require more testing of course!

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By: Chaos https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123699 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:30:28 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123699 In reply to pi.

There is no strictly better then. If you are at 2, and you are mindslavered and your opponent hits you with your own lightning bolt oops.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123685 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:09:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123685 In reply to Chaos.

Because a strict upgrade is better on at least 1 stat and equal on every other stat. Having less toughness makes it impossible for the card to be strictly beter. Whether it can destroy the Plague really does not matter at all. I’m happy to agree it’s better, just not strictly.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123683 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:03:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123683 In reply to David Schumann.

Sure, doesn’t make it strictly better though ;).

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123682 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:01:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123682 In reply to Cooper.

Definitely interesting…I do love how so many of us (and 100% honesty…I used to be included) thought Vintage was a “solved” format and that the # of archetypes was really limited…then you go 3-1 with a decklist like that, definitely made my day. Though I feel like I must ask, what are you cutting for the reclamation sage and do you name Shaman with the second Cavern (to play DRS, Rec. Sage, and Gorilla Shaman)?

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By: Cooper https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123675 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:22:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123675 In reply to David Schumann.

http://www.quietspeculation.com/forum/index.php/topic,7411.msg97474.html#new

I have a thread on the forums about 5color humans, a deck I’ve been tweaking for a while now and been having good success. It will be going in a shell like this for testing at first.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123658 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:54:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123658 In reply to Cooper.

I take it you play some form of aggro weenie deck (similar if not Fish)? The only thing I find confusing (and to be honest I’m not that well versed in the vintage metagame), I would think your primary use for him is in destroying artifacts (as with the exception of Oath decks I am not aware of a lot of enchantment based ones), if that’s the case you already had viridian shaman. But definitely let me know what deck you’re putting him in (as you’ve peeked my interest)

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123655 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:50:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123655 In reply to pi.

Fair enough..in the strictest definition of “strict” you are correct…however, in your same point casting Sage can destroy that Engineered Plague….casting Shaman means you’ve got them on a 20 turn clock…

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123654 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:49:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123654 In reply to Justin Smith.

Dangit….I definitely should have included that one…as they can finally get rid of “Eye of Nowhere” for Void Snare.

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By: Cooper https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123649 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:39:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123649 I will actually be jamming Sage in my Vintage deck, as a 1-3 of. Card seems real nutty.

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By: Chaos https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123623 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:20:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123623 How is sage not a strict update vs plague? Are you freaking serious? It dies but it kills plague, vs viridian shaman comes in as a 1/1 that blows up an artifact, meanwhile you have plague. I’m sure being a 2/1 vs a 2/2 is relevant in many situations, but you picked the worst possible situation to analyze.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123608 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:51:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123608 You may not entirely understand the meaning of strict: having a lower toughness means that the Sage is not a strict upgrade when compared to the Shaman. In fact, there was a time when Engineered Plague was a common sight in Legacy and it might make a difference in that situation. I do agree it’s nearly always better and a logical inclusion.

If only 1 or 2 Slivers are on the board the token will not actually have a lot of abilities. Similarly for the Leeching Sliver there may not be quite a few creatures out there.

On Kingsday (used to be called Queensday when we still had a queen) people sell all their old stuff in the streets. I’m always on the lookout for Magic cards then. Unfortunately there isn’t usually a lot to be found, but I don’t let that discourage me. I haven’t visited a lot of flee markets but when I do I will look for Magic, though I’ve never found anything there.

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By: Justin Smith https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/07/insider-the-legacy-of-m15-and-more/#comment-123589 Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:01:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=49428#comment-123589 Missed Void Snare. SB option in Storm decks, and other decks that use Burning Wish.

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