Comments on: Insider: Vintage Super League & MTGO Vintage Champs https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/08/insider-vintage-super-league-mtgo-vintage-champs/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:31:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/08/insider-vintage-super-league-mtgo-vintage-champs/#comment-167110 Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:01:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=51065#comment-167110 In reply to Scott Fielder.

There’s both risk aversion and irrationality at play here. People dumb more money into Standard over time but justify it because it seems cheaper at the time- kind of like taking out a loan.

The risk aversion comes from both paying for a Vintage deck and generally higher entree fees- you can definitely make some scratch winning pieces of power at tournaments, but $100 buy-ins are a big turn off for a large percentage of the player base. There are certainly middle-aged well to do Magic players, but college-aged and younger folk generally can’t justify that type of buy-in.

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By: Scott Fielder https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/08/insider-vintage-super-league-mtgo-vintage-champs/#comment-166712 Sun, 31 Aug 2014 02:10:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=51065#comment-166712 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

The VMA set is just the new high dollar prize on the block. High dollar prizes are what Vintage is about and have been about for years even with unlimited proxies and the numbers aren’t there. It will always be a step below being a PTQ or GP or Pro Tour Format, and a new shiny prize won’t change that. I agree that V4 and cost are barriers with cost being the ultimate reason that it will never be a relevant format. If it was maybe people would be more willing to buy in and play the format online, but we may never know.

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By: cooper https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/08/insider-vintage-super-league-mtgo-vintage-champs/#comment-166497 Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:27:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=51065#comment-166497 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

The fact they pushed that large patch last week is still so dumb. It causes me to DC from 3 different vintage champs qs. It’s just beyond me why they’d screw so many people this way, I never even got a good shot to qualify :(.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/08/insider-vintage-super-league-mtgo-vintage-champs/#comment-166451 Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:24:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=51065#comment-166451 The E.V. on an event where the top 4 gets not just a set of MODO power, but the ENTIRE VMA set is insane. There are 49 people in the event, and everybody automatically gets 5 VMA packs in addition to whatever was given out for their efforts in qualifying. The only way it could reasonably be better is if the entire top 8 got a set of VMA or some amount of power, but with 49 players that would just be printing money, which it already feels like they’re doing. This tournament is so insanely better than a ptq, which you have to win for the event to feel especially worthwhile.

I think that the major barriers are the cost of playing the format and that a number of players jumped ship when V4 launched.

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