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By: Praktyss https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-180288 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 21:10:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-180288 In reply to MG.

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By: Craig https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179579 Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:16:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179579 i think alot of people need to stop being whiny butthurts all day long and move on with their lives after playing a game regardless of what is said.

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By: Lormador https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179402 Sun, 28 Sep 2014 02:50:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179402 Magic is unlike both sports and chess in several elements that make “good game” rude in certain contexts. While in each of these arenas sportsmanship is of paramount importance, just like Magic, only in Magic is the element of luck so strongly emphasized. Also only in Magic is the social element so strongly emphasized. There’s a reason we sleeve up, pay entry fees, and travel to tournaments, and it’s just to turn cardboard sideways.

“Good game” is better than nothing, and it might not always be rude, but I’d go so far as to say that a mere “good game” never really cuts it. If the game really was good, I expect some meaningful and insightful comment. If the game was bad, “Ouch, your/my hand was ridiculous” is better. I like “Good luck with the rest of the tournament” if there are any rounds left. “Good game” increases in value from a non-native English speaker, but when a fluent person is willing to play out a hand of Magical cards with me, yet offers nothing more upon the conclusion than “Good game” in lieu of the innumerable pleasantries that might have been offered instead.. well, that’s kind of sad, really.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179352 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:30:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179352 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

For the record, I can see that the tone of my post could be read as a counterpoint to MG’s post, but I’m agreeing with him completely.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179351 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:28:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179351 In reply to MG.

It’s absolutely contextual, and that’s why the arguments against GG are more relevant than those in favor. Yes, it can be just a good gesture that can be well-received, and often will. It might not be though, and that’s important to know if you’re actually trying to be respectful. Respect is about knowing what might bother somebody, not expecting people to like what you deem respectful.

I try not to say good game if my the game wasn’t good or if my opponent was upset afterwards. That’s what respect is. Avoiding what might be problematic. Not engaging in what you deem to be acceptable.

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By: theuseless https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179331 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:45:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179331 In reply to banzaitron.

I have played against many people on modo who are from non-english speaking countries. The precoded responses are a good way to convey simple messages between people who can’t speak a common language. Sometimes I play against people who use those and then say “no english” or some other to convey they don’t want to chat. Then there are people who can’t type quickly. Are they jerks for not iterating fluently the nuances of the game?

Aside from the language exception, I think you should read the comments. Your response shows that it is you who are being a dick. If you get mad at me for trying to be nice that makes you the internet troll. I won’t pay the toll at the bridge.

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By: MG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179235 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:25:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179235 I feel that I am stating the obvious here but how it can be interpreted is contextual. There is no universal rule to communication that can be applied at all times without looking at the whole situation. And as much as 95% of the information conveyed is body language and tone of voice. Even “thank you” can be said with a sarcastic tone. If you play against a friend and you won after a heated battle where both had a good time and were at the top of their game, the winner can say gg. If its said by the winner after the opponent had awful draws, made many mistakes because of tiredness etc…it can be taken as smug or ironic. They did not had a good time, they did not win and you just invalidated their feelings and perception of the game. That’s rude. In case of doubt, remaining silent is the best option, always. Winning generally feels good, losing feels bad, and there is no need for the winner to state what is obvious to him. Sportsmanship is accepting victory gracefully and humbly and defeat stoically. At the beginning and the end of a game, I usually just bow my head slightly and thanks the other player for taking the time to play against me. There are very few people that can take the wrong way your gratitude for them being your opponent.

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By: Greg Henderson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179182 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:35:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179182 Saying good game is just showing respect. Are you offended by someone saying Thank You? Your anger or disappointment shouldn’t lower your respect for your opponent. Suck it up and move on.

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By: M https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/09/the-great-good-game-debate/#comment-179039 Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:04:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=52067#comment-179039 Personally I believe that a “Good game” at the end of a match is a matter of good sportsmanship (for the reasons previously mentioned). Anecdotally the situations in which one has been offended by the offer was not rectified by an explanation of the unfortunate randomness. Some people are just pissed off after a loss and nothing can be said that isn’t taken as patronizing or dismissive.

However I believe yuka raises an important point regarding the statement – “The reality of the situation is that almost every single gaming community out there finds a winner-initiated “gg” to be rude.” The sheer fact that it’s discussed indicates it is not as universal as this sentence claims. While this leaves the question unanswered, perhaps the best we can do is evaluate the situation (you’ve been playing with this person for the last 20 to 50 minutes) and estimate how they’ll interpret you’re offer at the end and act appropriately. I’ll almost always offer the good game with an outstretched hand (and discuss the games if it seems my opponent would be receptive to it), but if my opponent has been hostile or generally poorly sporting throughout the match it’s a simple handshake which even then is sometimes too much.

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