Comments on: In Defense of Marcio Carvalho https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 05 Jun 2018 19:26:01 +0000 hourly 1 By: Erricred https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-1964763 Tue, 05 Jun 2018 19:26:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-1964763 This is really interesting to read in light of his top 8 this year at PT DOM. I had no idea of his past, and while watching him play Kevin Jones, I noticed him slow playing and dragging things out for time. Kevin Jones ended up missing Top 8 due to the draw that resulted (in addition to the loss he picked up after) and Marcio just barely slid in. At the end of the games against Jones you can clearly see Marcio turn and smirk back at his teammates. It was at this point I started looking up who this guy was and found this whole controversy, which aligns with how I saw him behave in the match. He seems like scummy guy and I wish thy would’ve banned him for life. Brings the wrong kind of image to the game and what it represents.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-303076 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:01:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-303076 In reply to Matt Sears.

I had an opponent present his deck and while he was shuffling a judge came over and gave him a card that an opponent had taken with a Nightveil Specter in his previous match. The judge said that because the clock had started that he’d “be nice and not award a game loss. I appealed, because presenting an illegal deck is worthy of a game loss- there is a lot of advantage that can be gained from something like this. Had he pile shuffled, I would be appealing for a lot more than a game loss. If you can’t keep track of your cards or count properly, then sure, you’re not a cheater. But why would you even get out of bed in the morning then?

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-303066 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:56:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-303066 In reply to Mike.

Exactly. Even if you’re not counting counting, you’ll still be shy a card for the last iteration of your routine. He knowingly presented an illegal deck and he has a shady past.

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By: Mike https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-303020 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:08:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-303020 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

This is one thing I was asking about when the issue broke – since we only now got confirmation that there was a pile shuffle before he presented.

We’ve talked forever about pile shuffling having no legitimate value in randomizing your deck and the largest justification the practice receives is being able to count your deck to make sure there are no missing or extra cards.

It’s hard to imagine playing at that level and not noticing a deck had a missing card after a pile shuffle… regardless of how fast your opponent may have been asking you to go.

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By: Matt Sears https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302831 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:32:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302831 In reply to Matt Sears.

Didn’t mean hidden zone, just meant like exile or similar.

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By: Matt Sears https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302827 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:31:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302827 So none of you have accidentally submitted an illegal deck game 2 by forgetting a card in a hidden zone? I personally have never had the issue, but I’ve seen several other people do it, and knowing the integrity level of those people I don’t believe them to have done it on purpose. I can’t speak for Marcio but I think the pro players mentality regarding this seems pretty shitty.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302682 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:07:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302682 Pile shuffling and presenting an illegal deck is pretty damning. The rest of the circumstance is irrelevant.

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By: Charles https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302613 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 11:08:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302613 I am a fan of clean Magic but I am also a fan of clean clear headed peers that should just stick to facts and never to conjectures, speculations or delving into the past. Its not right that peers like Sperling, Chapin, Reitzl, Martell (Hall of Famers/Wannabee’s with added responsibilities for general image of Magic) discuss publicly something that must be discussed only by the involved parties (Márcio, PT team, Israeli team, Judges and wizards staff with a say on this matter). Intentionally or not he got DQ by presenting an illegal deck. Period! That just by itself is a little bit sad but its even worse reading things written by people that we all kind of looked up to just jumping into rush conclusions and writing about them on social media. I hope that Wizards it not short minded to the point that follows just blind hatred opinions but bases their decisions on present facts,

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302570 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:58:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302570 In reply to just delicious.

As much as that is true, I am glad they made a ruling on the floor everyone could live with.

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By: Sergio Vicente https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302497 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:43:20 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302497 In reply to Colt Mitchell.

Colt Mitchell, that is a lie that is being spread by people like Patrick Chapin and Ari Lax. Some of the people acusing Márcio of being a long time cheater have never played or interacted with him.

The actual thruth is that Márcio was suspended a long time ago, for 6 months due to peeking at an opponent’s while drafting. It had nothing to do with concealing cards.

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302496 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:40:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302496 In reply to Colt Mitchell.

He has had a few run-ins with the DCI and that may have contributed to the DQ.

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By: just delicious https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302375 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:24:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302375 Regardless of whether this was too harsh or not, there needs to be a codification of the rules that prevents this kind of follow up commentary. For the highest level of competitive play they (DCI) should make it clear that any action that could be perceived as cheating is just a DQ. Everyone would be forewarned that game rules violations would cost you the tournament. At this level there should be no game rule violations.

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By: Colt Mitchell https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/in-defense-of-marcio-carvalho/#comment-302302 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 05:37:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54437#comment-302302 But wasn’t he caught doing something similar before?

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