Comments on: Insider: A World Without Treasure Cruise – What Does Modern Look Like After a Banning? https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:29:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jesse https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-308174 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:46:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-308174 I hate when people try to say that U/R delver is over represented because it is somehow a budget deck. The Cost of the deck has little bearing on the amount it is played. Using this logic would mean that affinity would have been over 20% prior to Khans release because of it being also budget yet extremely competitive. This was and is not the case. Affinity was only a normal healthy portion of the field. Treasure cruise has pushed UR delver to greater than 20% of the filed because it’s broken. The pros at world’s did not majority play it and dominate with it due to “budget”… cost has no bearing with what pros play. Greater than 20% of the field and dominating tournaments is direct corelation to broken and format warping. People need to face the facts and quite hoping wizards wiIl just turn a blind eye and let Treasure cruise ruin modern.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286786 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:45:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286786 In reply to watluxid.

Absolutely, but that doesn’t change that they existed before their Khans printing.

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By: Ian Pinsker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286774 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:31:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286774 I will happily admit that Dig through Time probably makes RUG Scapeshift the de facto “best deck in modern” due to the raw power, resiliance, disruption, and clock. U/R delver is overrepresented because it is ultimately (outside of tarns and even those are down from the $120 madness they once were) cheap to build.

That being said, Dig through Time is a necessary card for hand-intensive combo decks like scapeshift with the preponderance of cheap discard available (Loam/Raven’s Crime, Liliana) and is generally a “fair” spell. It does not refuel to the degree that Cruise provides to it’s decks, and due to mana requirements does not permit the same multiple-spell-plays-refuel-multiple-spell-plays turn after turn that makes Cruise bad for the format.

In fact, the banning of cruise with the preservation of Dig through Time may actually allow for a proper control deck (4c Gifts and UWR, you don’t really count. Sorry. Gifts is a combo deck, as is U Tron, UWR is tempo so only really plays control 50% of the time (or less)) to exist in modern which would improve the overall health of a format defined by more or less aggro, combo, tempo, and combinations of the three.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286504 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:02:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286504 In reply to Derek Madlem.

I gotta agree with Derek on this one…the players who love TC are screaming that it’s perfectly fine, but it’s clearly not. They banned Ancestral Visions from the get-go and that one usually goes off on turn 4 (if you’re lucky). TC can actually go off sooner (I’ve seen turn 3 plenty of times). It has completely warped the format. It’s the Brainstorm of modern (and plenty of players have wished brainstorm would get the axe in legacy), except Brainstorm still nets 0 cards (you trade 1 for 1), while TC actually nets +2..for 1 mana, even legacy banned Ancestral Recall…and TC is just the next iteration of it.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286501 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 17:56:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286501 In reply to parisite.

I’m not saying that Treasure Cruise decks are unbeatable … Wizards has made it very clear that they do not want one deck to be a large portion of the metagame … which is why cards like Bloodbraid and Deathrite Shaman were banned. Jund was just as vulnerable as the Blue / Red Delver decks, but it was represented by greater than 20% of the field and Wizards felt that was excessive. Blue / Red Delver has seen similar representation on MTGO (the only real sample group for Modern).

Beyond that, Treasure Cruise is more splashable in Modern because mana bases are less vulnerable due to the absence of Wasteland … if it doesn’t get banned, then it will quick become standard practice to just jam a few cruises in any deck that that has a flex spots.

As far as adapting and creativity, that sadly isn’t a real option. The bulk of the player base follows trends presented to them by big players at big tournaments, with a noticeable lack of real support for Modern from Wizards, we’re not going to see near enough innovation out of necessity as we would if there were entire Modern seasons.

Unbannings – yes, this is a great idea but the few cards left to unban are ones they’ve banned since Modern’s inception. Bloodbraid and Deathrite were not entirely oppressive, Jace would probably be fine, but beyond that what cards still have a legitimate case to be made for their unbanning?

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By: watluxid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286454 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:50:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286454 In reply to pi.

Khans/Onslaught fetches were not legal in Modern until the release of Khans, because, well, they only were in Onslaught.

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By: parisite https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286417 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:03:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286417 i disagree with the whole premise of this article….modern isn’t broken with TC, its just different. enough of the bannings and banning talk, for modern to have a healthy format doesn’t mean banning more stuff, it means players need to adapt be creative. Since TC has been legal the format has shown a wide variety of decks can win(affinity,pod, scapeshift, delver,burn,twin,rock…yes it pushed delver/burn into tier 1 but thats not the end of the world)…if you don’t believe me, try building a Sideboard that covers all the bases…if it was just TC decks then it would be rather simple to hate out. As a community I think the topic should be about more unbannings (in spite of the fact the archetypes in modern are already incredibly wide).

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-a-world-without-treasure-cruise-what-does-modern-look-like-after-a-banning/#comment-286314 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 14:24:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54017#comment-286314 I hope you realize that the KTK Fetches existed before? Terminology like “new” or “by existing” comes across as unintentionally funny for reprints. To me they distract from the article.

I do agree with your points, I want to pick up more Fetches.

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