Comments on: Insider: Why the US Dollar is De-valuing Your Collection – How Magic Cards Parallel Commodities https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:29:18 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317613 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:03:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317613 In reply to Charles Fey.

Charles,

I really appreciate your thoughtful rebuttal. By no means do I think I’ve solved the equation. The relationship just seemed a bit coincidental to me is all. With the Magic Card market there are so many factors: metagame shifts, tournament support, new set success, etc. etc. To think that currency FX could be a large factor would be way too short-sighted.

I hear a lot about how strong the Vintage scene is in Europe. Part of the reason Vintage was so popular in Europe could be related to the strength in the Euro. As you pointed out, the domestic market is fairly large. Perhaps players overseas took advantage of their stronger currencies to acquire Power and Duals at a cheaper price. I’d be curious to learn if there’s been a reversal in this trend, where cards like Moxen and Duals are more likely to go in the opposite direction. Even a small increase in supply from Europe could be enough to move prices measurably.

Alas, there are too many interfering factors to say for certain. I merely noticed the correlation and wondered if there was something to it via this article. Naturally there is no 100% right or wrong answer, and I always encourage dialogue in the comments section of my articles :).

Thanks again!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317610 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:58:39 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317610 In reply to Stu Somers.

Great build! Appreciate the comment – I want to say the USD is very strong vs. the Yen historically speaking as well. Japan has been struggling a bit lately. So this could compound the effect.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317607 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:55:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317607 In reply to thehordling.

Yeah, true. But if you look, a lot of cards began their decline a bit earlier this year. Underground Sea appears to have peaked in August, and drifted downward throughout all of the fall. What really surprised me was the Standard charts. I know the PTQ season wasn’t Standard, but I was shocked to see Standard all-stars plummet in price despite being very strong post-rotation. Sylvan Caryatid is everywhere in Standard, yet the price has done nothing but drop since late October.

You’re absolutely right in pointing out the seasonality – I’m merely presenting another possible factor. 🙂

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317602 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:52:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317602 In reply to Douglas Linn.

Thanks, Doug! I REALLY enjoyed writing this one, and I actually think I’m onto something here. This isn’t just filler, either. I honestly think there is a legitimate correlation here. And I love incorporating “RL Finance” into my articles when I can!

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By: Charles Fey https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317421 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:25:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317421 While I agree that magic cards are very much like commodities, it seems like a very large leap to attribute much of this year’s price movements to currency market movements. Magic card demand is more than fairly independent of FX change, not least because the vast majority of magic card demand is domestic.

Moreover it is not at all clear that global gold and silver price movements have a causal relationship to dollar strength, but that’s more of an ideological debate.

Following your commodity point, commodities often become very much dislocated from currency valuation movements due to “real market” factors. Correlation coefficients to the dollar vary and can seem ludicrously unimportant when, say, drought strikes grain or Saudi Arabia decides to stop defending $100/bbl crude. While it’s certainly worthwhile to be aware of the currency markets I’d say the fundamental drivers of a given magic card’s value are found far from the FX desks in New York and reside in Renton.

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By: Stu Somers https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317359 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:59:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317359 Europe is not the only place you need to look for the trends, Asia is a HUGE player in the market, particularly when it comes to Legacy/Vintage

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By: thehordling https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317332 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:13:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317332 Legacy always depreciates in November and December. I remember this happening last year and the year before as well. I believe it happens with standard cards as well around the holidays.

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By: Douglas Linn https://www.quietspeculation.com/2014/12/insider-why-the-us-dollar-is-de-valuing-your-collection-how-magic-cards-parallel-commodities/#comment-317269 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:32:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=54796#comment-317269 Amazing and insane article. Loved this one!

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