Comments on: Check Your Match Slips https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:21:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: MG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-355954 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:21:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-355954 In reply to Jason Alt.

Given that definition, my reaction is quite ironic. I apologize and thank you for correcting me.

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-353809 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:06:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-353809 In reply to MG.

It’s not a rape allusion

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/butthurt

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By: Voltron https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-353807 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:06:41 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-353807 In reply to MG.

Butthurt is not the same thing, so as such you need to calm down and access the situation at hand and not be a PC troll.

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By: MG https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-351778 Wed, 14 Jan 2015 00:47:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-351778 In reply to Jason Alt.

Do we really have to resort to words like “butthurt” to describe these feelings? Rape allusions have no place in Magic.

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By: Paul Johnson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-351519 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:35:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-351519 In reply to Jason Alt.

I’ve been discussing it with some local judges too. Seems that most of them would have done the re-pair. I don’t think there’s an official policy covering this, as it is fairly corner case.

Definitely going to continue announcing that the slip stands, because then it covers my butt!

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By: abc https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-350839 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:08:09 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-350839 Redditt = troll central.

It seems that a lot of the issues that are coming up at tournaments lately (this episode, the various shuffling cheats in recent months, etc) could be solved if event personnel handled some of these duties instead of leaving them to players. Why are there not designated shufflers and ‘match slip runners’? I’m not very familiar with casinos, but my understanding is that card games played for money- especially on a professional circuit- have neutral dealers to help ensure the specter of cheating is not a thing. And such events would never leave it up to the players to go report their winnings; “um, yeah, I just beat the house for 3 grand, you can take my word for it, so can I have my money?”. I realize it would require manpower to have a neutral dealer(s), but match results could probably be easily reported via app.

I have no experience with tournament Magic so maybe I’m being unrealistic. But it seems to me that these tournaments have grown- in attendance, prize pots, and event coverage- to the point that they need to move away from the ‘small time’ approach of having the players doing a lot of the work themselves and evolve to have more personnel handling these required duties. Wotc is pushing for 10,000 to attend an event at Vegas- this ain’t on the level of FNM at the LGS or charity bingo at the local VFW anymore. Let the players play- don’t give them opportunities to stack the decks, change the scorecards, etc.

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By: Brendan W https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-350650 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:22:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-350650 This happens.

The very first SCG event I worked, The very first amtch slip I picked up. I looked down at it and asked ” Blah Blah got it 2-1?” Both players looked at me . One in confusion, the other in Panic. A few whips of a red pen later and ti was fixed.

This happend 3 more times through out the day.

Some players sign the match slip just how we all hit that little box next to terms and conditions- something that must be done before you can send results or continue.

Fact still stands, you signed and agreed that the results were final.

If the match slip was correct and the Scorekeeper entered the results wrong, this would be a completly different conversation.

Tl;Dr: Check your match slip before you turn it in/Judge 101 confirm results with players before taking the slip

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By: banzaitron https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-350411 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:25:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-350411 If one wanted to do the thing that had the most “integrity’ in that situation, I imagine it would be to give the affronted party a share of the winnings, not drop?

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By: Mike https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-349834 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:23:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-349834 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

Agreed.

These are the toughest beats to the guy that got knocked out — but there is, literally, nothing to gain by Perez dropping beyond him trying to make the other guy “feel better by someone not getting any benefit from his mistake”.

It’s a VERY tough life lesson to learn, but I don’t think Perez did anything wrong.

Consider filling out and signing the match slip the last play of the match.

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-349808 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:08:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-349808 In reply to Paul Johnson.

That’s an angle I hadn’t considered; thanks Paul! The reddit thread had a lot of back and forth between people claiming to be judges and TOs and they couldn’t agree on whether the slip should stand. I think there is real potential for abuse and collusion like in the scenario you stated, and that people hadn’t really considered that. The slip is easy to check before the winner turns it in, and it’s something that is totally within the winner’s control to check. I think there was a lot of butthurt in OP’s thread and it stems from him blaming everyone but himself. At least he had the presence of mind not to say he wanted to jump the head judge the way he said he wanted to jump Ray.

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By: Paul Johnson https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-349707 Tue, 13 Jan 2015 00:14:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-349707 As someone who regularly Head Judges comp REL events, I wholeheartedly support the stance of “the slip stands” (especially once its been entered). Not doing so opens the game up to the potential abuse of “match is done, slip is filled, we’ve gone outside for a smoke or whatever and you’ve just slipped me a $50. Yeah, judge, we totally got that slip wrong, yup.”
I even announce that the slip will stand and say that the winner should always take the slip up themselves and double check the result is correct.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/check-your-match-slips/#comment-349525 Mon, 12 Jan 2015 22:31:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55787#comment-349525 I believe that the head judge made the wrong ruling and that Ray was fine playing the top 8. Circumstance put him there, and luck is necessary for anybody to top 8. There isn’t a compelling reason for a loser to check a match slip and there is every reason for a winner to check and double check. I know I do.

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