Comments on: Insider: Fate Reforged Top 10 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:29:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Stu https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358761 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:34:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358761 In reply to Mike Lanigan.

Well that is what I am saying though, Pilgrim is not really in the deck anymore

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358710 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:05:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358710 In reply to Stu.

I like it as a different angle of attack. Not saying it’s certain but I think it should be tested in place of pilgrim

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By: Stu https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358104 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:45:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358104 In reply to Mike Lanigan.

I think there is 0% chance this makes it into UW Heroic, all the good lists are already shaving pilgrims, why add another 3 drop? This deck wants to operate on as few lands as possible and their creatures to cap out at 2

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358089 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:35:15 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358089 Just one note on warden…

I think he’s deceptively good and he will be better than most players initial evaluations. Sometimes I think he’s perfectly fine as a fleecemane that attacks a turn early then dies to a removal spell in the early game. Sometimes he will be more than that though.

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358079 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:32:16 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358079 In reply to Stu.

I do really like valorous stance, but I don’t think its in the top 10 for the set. It was close for me though and I did consider it.

As for tasigur, I’m not on board. I’m in the camp of it being a 4/5 w low impact on the game. I’d rather delve my cards for something better and pay mana for my creatures. I tried something like this w hooting mandrils and I know you’re going to say it’s not the same but both creatures having 4 power does position them poorly against much of the field.

Monetary mentor has many possible homes which is why he’s great. Uw heroic possibly as someone mentioned below, lots of different Jeskai decks, etc.

I do agree w crux of fate. It may not be good enough based on what the format looks like but I do think it’s good and will likely see play. Maybe it’s a sideboard card or a card you plan to side out in some matchups but it seems good even if it only kills 2 of their 3 creatures.

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358062 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:23:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358062 In reply to Justin Smith.

Exactly. It can fit in so many places. That’s what makes it the best card in the set, for me at least. I think mentor seems excellent in uw heroic and that might be enough for me to play that deck.

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By: Mike Lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-358059 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:22:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-358059 In reply to Ian Pinsker.

Because the damage can’t be prevented, the protection from gods wiing won’t stop the effect from happening. That’s why wild slash is good against gods willing. Sorry about the confusion.

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By: Justin Smith https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-357984 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:39:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-357984 In reply to Stu.

I actually think Monastery Mentor might be a decent backup win con for the U/W Heroic decks.

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By: Stu https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-356164 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:02:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-356164 Mike, I disagree with this list a lot. Tasigur and Valor Stance I think are coming to come out of this thing as 2 of the biggest cards in the set. I am not even that sold on Monastery Mentor. Where are you going to play him? Most decks have Rabblemaster/Ascendancy/Outburst to play on Turn 3. I get that you can play him later and play a card and get a guy, but on turn 3, one of the more important turns in the format, you get no value out of him unlike Outburst/Rabble and he is easier to kill than Ascendancy.

Tasigur just looks absurd. 1 mana 4/5s that have abilities and let you play a 2nd spell in a turn is pretty dumb.

I also think Crux of Fate might be bad since these sets are pushing Dragons pretty hard. If some one goes Rabblemaster into Dragon Turn 4/5, Crux is really really bad. Vault still might just be better.

Warden also loses the Bile Blight/Anger of the Gods war unlike the other aggressive drops for the Aggro decks.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-356025 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:51:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-356025 In reply to Justin Smith.

I’m in more agreement with Justin on this one. I do like most of your list…but I don’t like Warden all that much either. He does seem like he’ll get in a hit or two after you’ve sunk the 3 mana into him, but the fact that the costs are not in turn order (i.e. 1 to cast, 2 for first activation, 3 for next, etc.) but instead require an additional land drop/mana to jump from 2 to 3 and then 2 mana from 3 to 4 means that he isn’t as “fast” as Figure in reaching ultimate. The fact that all the top removal (Bile Blight, Lightning Strike, and Hero’s Downfall) can all kill him in response to the middle activation means you get to time walk yourself early in the game, dumping your mana into him and your opponent is doing what they already wanted to do…which is eliminate your threat. He also can’t get past a Courser until you reach 6 mana….

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By: Ian Pinsker https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-355829 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:09:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-355829 Wild Slash doesn’t help with Gods Willing. Protection will make the target invalid so the slash doesn’t kill. It helps with gods willing blocks while hitting their dome, a la skullcrack vs. Master of Waves blocking, but that’s all.

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By: Justin Smith https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/01/insider-fate-reforged-top-10/#comment-355762 Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:21:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=55879#comment-355762 Torrent Elemental doesn’t work with Food Chain.

I think Warden of the First Tree is total ass, investing that much mana into a creature only to have it removed is not what Abzan Aggro wants to be doing (especially when you’re skipping advancing your board on turn 2 to pump this guy).

No mention of Tasigur?

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