Comments on: Insider: Cracking Boxes and Pro Tour Fate Reforged Insights https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:27:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-411023 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:15:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-411023 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Agreed, IT IS hard to win with a deck that only has seven win conditions in the deck and they all cost six mana against multiple counter spells. Which is why I would play combo decks that are more resilient (like Twin) over a deck like this, which is neat but terrible.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-411020 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:13:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-411020 In reply to David Schumann.

The reason I use “day one” prices vs a theoretical long term price is because I am comparing cracking boxes to just preordering the cards I feel I need. If I preordered those cards, that’s the price I would have paid.

Beyond that, if you use any other price then how can you really account for it? If I wait long enough, basically every card in the box is going to be worth $1 or less with a few exceptions so it’s hard to determine when that realistic “line” is.

And you’re right, I did get lucky with two Ugins, but I was also unlucky with zero Monastery Mentors or Whisperwood Elementals so in theory these sorts of things balance themselves out in the aggregate. Also getting complete turds for all my foils did not help pad my results. I admit going into this set my instinct was to not buy any boxes, but I indulged myself because I’m an addict and for writing this article … this time I ended up slightly above, but this is definitely a set that is not an “auto-buy” like Khans of Tarkir was at release.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-409601 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:06:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-409601 Great article. Though it’s important to point out…that your box cracking was above average….an Ugin per box is unlikely and had you only gotten 1 you’d have been much much closer to break even. I also feel that pricing cards at “day 1 prices” that you intended to keep seems like poor logic. Unless you needed those cards on day 1 for a tournament, you could have picked up every single one 2 weeks later for less, though I do think valuing your playset of commons/uncommons would be fair to add in.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-409416 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:17:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-409416 In reply to Derek Madlem.

I did watch the finals. One game the Bloom Titan pilot lost to Blood Moon. That is a weakness for sure.

The strategy lost other games to MULTIPLE counterspells, not 1. In at least one instance pilot had pact of negation in hand (fetched by Tolaria West). But he couldn’t win through Remand + Dispel + another counter in the opponent’s hand.

But ask any combo player – it’s tough to win through 3 counterspells no matter how resilient your deck is.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-409362 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:28:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-409362 In reply to mike lanigan.

I wanted to kick the can down the road a little further with the box portion of the article, but I had already done that a couple times so I shoehorned it in.

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By: Derek Madlem https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-409358 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:28:13 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-409358 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

Did you watch the finals? He lost three games because his hands were literally full of do-nothing garbage.

The deck is a glass cannon that is complicated to play, draw dependent, and typically folds to a counterspell. There are a number of combo decks that are more consistent, resilient, AND easier to play.

I just don’t think it’s a good deck choice.

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By: mike lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-408961 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:54:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-408961 I loved this article. I wouldn’t have minded it being two separate articles either. Both topics were extremely interesting. Great job!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-cracking-boxes-and-pro-tour-fate-reforged-insights/#comment-408909 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:11:46 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56784#comment-408909 Agree on your calls, especially Rhino and Snapcaster.

Is it really fair to compare Bloom Titan to Belcher? For one, the Titan deck has multiple ways of winning (Hive Mind + Pact or Primeval Titan), the sideboard is transformational, and the deck actually made the finals of a PT (Ok, there’s no Legacy PT so that’s not a fair comparison). I also keep hearing there were only 4 pilots of the Bloom Titan deck last weekend. One made the finals of the PT and one lost their win-and-in.

If 20 players had run the deck, it would likely have had an even stronger showing.

I guess time will tell, but I’m not so quick to rule out the Bloom Titan deck this time. The last two times, I was right there with you. But now that Wizards keeps banning good cards and unbanning bad cards, it’s only a matter of time before bad decks become good.

All that being said, you’re right on one thing: sell into the hype.

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