FYI I received a fake Phyrexian Oblitaror on MKM, spotted it and MKM customer service confimed it was a fake.

If you want you can add it to the list as it is another 20+ € card.

Thanks for the article

Antoine

To have Summer Duals and not know what they are you would have had to open them over 20 years ago and you have likely had to open a significant of Summer product to get them, or you could have gotten them from someone who did. Then in all those years nobody would’ve pointed out they were in fact Summer cards. While not an impossibility it is a very unlikely scenario, probably in the same ballpark as cracking a Revised box only to discover it contains Summer packs. Summer really is extremely rare.

If you trade them as regular Duals it would become so extremely lopsided that people walking by become likely to point it out (assuming they know about Summer) or at least they would wonder about the Dual being so dark, possibly having a closer look and asking about it.

Dereks’ article btw says “from a few feet away and saw what looked like a Summer Edition …”, this doesn’t imply an actual 1994 copyright date.

I don’t disagree with you guys…but I do think that if some guy was trading fake summer duals at regular dual prices one might think “he doesn’t know what he has” and their greed would get the best of them and they would try to close the trade out quickly..

Pi,
To answer your questions;
1.) I don’t know, I agree it could/should be on the free side same as the last one, but it’s not my call which side it goes on.
2.) The fake tarn was posted found in a link on reddit from someone, I’m not sure where they were acquired originally.
3.) The tarmogoyf section is a copy of the section from my original writing, with the addition of new cards to the “list” of known faked cards. I want this list to keep growing as new information is supplied.
4.) The bottom Mirage starter is the normal one…as stated the US printers didn’t appear to meet WoTC’s requirements and the top one states that it was made in the USA. (Bottom one says made in Belgium)

– Why is this on insider? Like the first one: do we really want to withhold fakes information from people?
– Was the fake Tarn itself actually one of the fake cards distributed at SCG Indianapolis?
– The Goyf picture is from before the first fakes article, the text seems to suggest it’s new?
– Which Mirage Starter is the normal one?

Also Summer Duals would probably be way more expensive than a foil Delver deck.

Yes it’s wrong. Any time you’re playing with essential proxies you should make sure people are aware you are.

I’ve seen other sources come by saying they looked darker, if you print fake Summer you would also invite exctra scrutiny. Also I believe that many wouldn’t know what Summer is and consider them fake because of it, while others may point out they’re Summer and will not be able to afford them, growing suspicious if they are traded away too easily. I really don’t think printing Summer fakes would be a smart move unless you can make REALLY good fakes.

Yea Mats, That was the second or third thing that I noticed. I still have these 3 fakes in my possession that I have been using to who people what a fake magic card can look, feel, and sometimes even smell like lol.

By the way, it wasn’t me who mentioned the Force of will. It was Sean Johnson.

I just bought a cheap 30x LED Light Jeweler’s loupe on eBay so I can review high end cards I acquire more closely. For $3, it’s a worthwhile investment!

I’d heard on Derek’s article regarding SCG-Indy that he mentioned he thought they were Summer….but I can’t verify (as that’s my only source). I was worried because using something like Summer duals would be a very clever way to get people to agree to trades in a hurry (if you had fake summer duals and priced them at regular the greed of your trade partner might make them rush through to close the deal)

Website people order the fakes from: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6431773681.html?orderId=65282587713248

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ksXy6WAJ08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O3G_f4jOnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umzkVtJnTio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n51NKr9kNp4

They’ve already toned down the glossy surface from the last run.

Be aware that WotC have in the past produced cards with black centre.

Finding out that it isn’t a fake is a huge relief; regardless, as David points out, examining cards with greater scrutiny is extremely important. The fact that I missed a card that is of different quality–and in other cases could have been fake–is an eye opener.

Somewhat related note: a friend of mine just purchased over a hundred different Chinese fakes recently. They did surprisingly well with the light test (yes, it’s important to do others), and while the majority of them were not that good, the duals and power were incredibly good, but didn’t feel particularly convincing.

I’ll get a list of the cards they are offering and put it in the forums, and I suppose I’ll be sending their information to Wizards. If anyone is interested in scans, I can put some of those up as well. This time, I know for a fact they are fake.

Thanks for the comment Sven. I’ve added a picture which hopefully will emphasize the “circle” and “oval”. You have to look closely (it’s really just the different coloration on the back, but it seems to form a pretty clear circle (with oval next to it). (Also it’s important to keep in mind I had to use paint to “draw the circles” so they aren’t perfectly sized/located on the back of the card, but hopefully if you keep looking for it you’ll see the pattern I noticed.