Comments on: Insider: Top Targets from Pro Tour Fate Reforged https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:27:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Stephen ligus https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-411022 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:14:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-411022 Is it just me, or are the prices of literally every card in standard rotation is half of what even the basic rares were in RTR and Dragons Maze. I remeber playing mono black devotion and spent well over 12 dollars per card in the deck. Now its like half prices across the board… I hope this isn’t the sign of a zombie apocalypse…walking dead aired sunday and now im starting to question my 5 playsets of siege rhino…

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409567 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:35:11 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409567 In reply to Carlos Maza.

Carlos,

That’s a very good question. It’s something I haven’t really put much thought into. I’d actually open this question up to the broader community to see if anyone’s tested the card, before buying in deeply. That being said, downside is minimal here so if you wanna pick up a set or two I see little harm in doing so.

Thanks for posting!
Sig

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By: Carlos Maza https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409544 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:14:03 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409544 how do you feel about lifebane zombie as a good spec watching a field full of abzan? derek madlem talked about it a little in another article, any special thoughts on it?

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409410 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:15:10 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409410 In reply to Aregand.

Strong representation, but it didn’t quite get there from a T8 standpoint. I agree the deck is decent. It just didn’t grab much spotlight on Sunday so I chose to leave it out for the sake of article length. Great add, though!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409408 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:14:27 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409408 In reply to Phil Ulrich.

Yeah, Azusa hadn’t shot up at the time of my writing. Obviously you sell at $50 if you can. This market moves too quickly!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409407 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:13:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409407 In reply to LoveHybridMana.

Filter lands USE hybrid mana though (it’s a hybrid mana activation cost). So it’s not a requirement, but the two go hand in hand.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409116 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:46:22 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409116 In reply to mike lanigan.

It’s important to keep in mind that this PT was right after a major shift in the metagame (courtesy of the bannings) and control strategies typically take awhile to develop. I think we’ll see a resurgence of control strategies as the metagame develops more the control players will start to figure out what answers they need to the most often occuring threats. I fully expect to see a U/W/x control deck back in the limelight soon enough.

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By: Aregand https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409099 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:30:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409099 Infect had a strong showing as well.

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By: Phil Ulrich https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409088 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:24:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409088 And Azusa has shot up to $50 already come Monday morning.

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By: LoveHybridMana https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409076 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:20:32 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409076 Filter lands aren’t needed to support hybrid mana. Hybrid mana means going monocolored (SHM/EVE draft)

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409062 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:10:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409062 In reply to mike lanigan.

This is my concern, Mike. I am not at all interested in playing (nor watching, for that matter) Burn, Affinity, Twin and Abzan decks. It just sounds stale. There’s no control in there either. Amulet is spicy, but I will admit watching it again and again also got a little boring since their turns can take a while.

I sure hope there’s innovation in the future. Otherwise this is not a Modern format people will want to embrace readily.

Thanks for commenting!

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-409058 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:08:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-409058 In reply to David Schumann.

David brings up the real point I was trying to make. LoTV won’t be in MMA2015, but Wizards does have their eye on the card as a potential reprint. Perhaps once Thoughtseize leaves Standard and black isn’t quite so dominant we’ll get Lili back. Either way, the risk/reward equation at $85-$90 seems unfavorable and I’d rather have my money in Snapcaster, Abrupt Decay, etc.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408982 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:11:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408982 In reply to Wouter.

Actually, WoTC had LoTV planned for M15, but mono-black devotion proved too strong so she didn’t make it. The point is, that WoTC doesn’t feel like she’s too powerful for standard again. However, Sigmund is correct in that neither of them will show up in MMA2015…but given both are standard strong, I wouldn’t bet against seeing either or both show up again in a standard legal set in the next year or so.

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By: mike lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408955 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:49:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408955 I think we will see a lot more innovation in the coming months, or at least I hope so. I am worried about an early stale format post bannings though. A meta of Twin, Abzan, Burn and affinity seems miserable. Yes amulet too but I doubt too many players will pick that up.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408881 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:50:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408881 “Problem is I don’t own Tarmogoyfs or Liliana of the Veils. They’re both already a fortune, and the latter could easily show up in Modern Masters 2015 and should be approaching a ceiling.”

This statement is incorrectly worded. It should read: “Problem is I don’t own Tarmogoyfs or Liliana of the Veils. They’re both already a fortune, the former could easily show up in Modern Masters 2015 and the latter should be approaching a ceiling.”

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408879 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:49:02 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408879 In reply to linvala.

Is it really mostly casual? I remember seeing a Modern video on Channel Fireball, where LSV was jamming Ghostway (to good success too). I figured that was a major catalyst for the speculation.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408877 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:48:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408877 In reply to Wouter.

This was an oversight on my part! Clearly I wasn’t thinking straight, as I contradicted myself here. Liliana should be safe from reprinting. She cannot be in MMA2015. I just think she’s closer to a price ceiling since she recently jumped higher, and her risk/reward equation here is less attractive. Sorry about that!!

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By: linvala https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408783 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:20:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408783 most of ghostways growth was due to casual play, they sold out at 6 dollars the last I got them in within a few days.

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By: Wouter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/02/insider-top-targets-from-pro-tour-fate-reforged/#comment-408724 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 10:22:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=56786#comment-408724 So, why exactly is Snapcaster Mage safe from reprint and Liliana not? You specifically state MMA2015 and not the PTQ-promo.

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