Comments on: Insider: Know Your Limitations & Leverage the Experts https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 18 Jan 2022 02:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ben Roome https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427763 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:43:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427763 In reply to pi.

Guardian Beast here? Picked up my Old Man a few months ago, and the card is fun to own. I had it in my binder at the last GP I went to, and all the vendors kept low-balling me on it while at the same time commenting on its pristine condition. It was like “Wow, that’s a beautiful copy of this card… too bad no one wants it. $20?”

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427501 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 08:48:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427501 In reply to pi.

To be clear, while they are good, people aren’t likely to see them get played because there are so few players who own copies. If they aren’t seeing them get played they are not seeing how good they are. I think it would be easier for Old Man to creep up by $20-$30 than it would be for Field or Valley to do the same as they are at the edge of what even the most committed EDH players would spend.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427241 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:54:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427241 In reply to David Schumann.

Shhh, don’t mention cards I still need to complete playsets for! 😉

I think they are good, but beyond many people’s budgets. I can’t see them go much higher based on infrequent EDH play alone.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427229 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:26:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427229 In reply to David Schumann.

David,

Thank you VERY much for your kind words. I was a little hesitant to write on this topic as it isn’t the traditional description of what cards to buy to make money. But the subject is important all the same. Hopefully others agree with you.

As for topic stealing – of course it’s unintentional and quite random. I usually come up with article ideas the day before or morning of my writing them. This week, I didn’t have a specific topic for what cards to buy or sell, so I decided to go for a more general topic. With Tiny Leaders rising in popularity, it seemed timely. Great minds think alike!

Thanks again for commenting,
Sig

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427228 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:24:57 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427228 In reply to David Schumann.

I can see Old Man of the Sea move here. A friend of mine just told me he’s looking for one, and I can’t imagine there are many copies floating around.

Diamond Valley is an interesting one, and I’ve always considered Forcefield a banner Magic card, with memories of how expensive it was even back in the day. Maybe I should grab those at some point. Thanks pi and David for the suggestions!

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427211 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:04:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427211 In reply to pi.

I’m surprised we haven’t seen Diamond Valley for Forcefield move up a ton….both are really good in EDH

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427198 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 20:49:51 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427198 In reply to Sigmund Ausfresser.

I was on top of the Legends cards based on Forum discussion, movement on MTGStocks and their casual relevance. I really wouldn’t have claimed to be a front runner there, but I was definitely quick enough to still have a chance. P3K was better, but the reprints really are an issue, these days I just get my playsets and nothing more.

I definitely still see Island of Wak-Wak breaking out at some point. Same with Winding Canyons (to a lesser extend). I like Berserk enough to have picked up 5 Beta copies (found a cheap 5th). I have the feeling Power will move again and again, with less time between the spikes. I’m mostly finishing out my set there though, getting many pieces of Power just isn’t in my budget.

I don’t really have a classic card I would recommend at this point, but one could probably do worse than Old Man of the Sea and Khabal Ghoul. I’m not sure I see Elephant Graveyard doing well, it’s just so limited in its applications.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427031 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:14:33 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427031 It’s weird how often I come up with article ideas only to see you talk about similar ones the same week….I guess I shouldn’t have moved to Fridays. I think you bring up some VERY important points that people need to understand and keep in mind when speculating. I enjoyed the article.

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By: Sigmund Ausfresser https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427027 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:00:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427027 In reply to pi.

You are very modest :). It was my pleasure to give you a mention – you’ve alerted me to numerous relevant Legends cards before anyone else even began talking about them. Angus Mackenzie, Adun Oakenshield come to mind immediately. Your P3K calls were spot-on as well…that is, until Wizards decided to reprint a ton of them.

And I still watch cards like Island of Wak-Wak very closely, knowing full well they’ll spike at some point. Only this time I already have my 1 copy for personal enjoyment. I have learned not to ignore these suggestions of yours. 🙂

Speaking of which, are there any classic cards on your radar at this moment our Insiders should be aware of? I like Island of Wak-Wak, but I can’t help but believe there are others. Elephant Graveyard, perhaps?

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/insider-know-your-limitations-leverage-the-experts/#comment-427026 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:52:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=57639#comment-427026 Thanks for the vote of confidence! Funnily I would consider myself to be more of an EDH expert than an expert on the old cards (though I probably do very well where those categories overlap). For old cards I use a few basic principles:

– Is it reserved?
– Could I see myself playing it?
– Is it showing movement?

If it meets at least 2 out of 3 I’m interested, but, I will look for other people’s opinion unless I can score copies cheaply or if I’m just looking to complete a personal playset, if it meets all 3 I’m going for it. Fortunately with old cards even if they don’t continue moving up they rarely go down much and give it a few years and they’ll eventually will unless they are reprinted.

Personally I would say my expertise lies with casual play in general and bulk rares. The former is based on my interest as a player and the latter as a collector. You will rarely see me make moves on any recent cards, usually I wait for rotation and then I often just pick up enough for my own playset unless I can see it getting a lot of casual interest in the future. Bulk rare wise I simply move through a lot of them (more on that some other time).

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