Comments on: Mono U Tron: MTGO’s Best Deck https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:52:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120399 Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:52:47 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120399 In reply to Court Schuett.

This is solidly under the “dataset limitations” issue. We don’t have any of the 2-2 or worse GWPs, which is why I make so many disclaimers throughout the article about the numbers we are using. So we don’t know the conversion rates from the decks that start a daily to the decks that finish it at 4-0/3-1, and we don’t know the (obviously lower) GWPs of the decks that go 2-2 or worse. One day we can hopefully expand the analysis to include those stats, but we need way more data that Wizards currently doesn’t make available.

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By: Court Schuett https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120398 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:48:26 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120398 What about all of the times Mono U Tron doesn’t 3-1 or better? Are you including their GWP?

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120397 Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:36:19 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120397 In reply to jhg218.

Thanks! Let me know if there’s anything you think the community would like to read more about!

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By: jhg218 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120396 Sun, 22 Mar 2015 17:23:52 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120396 I love the articles you wrote. Each article is published with great supporting data and analysis. Definitely will come back here for more Modern insights.

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By: Cleison https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120395 Sat, 21 Mar 2015 21:10:48 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120395 Amazing analysis! And wonderful work on the website so far, it does justice for the Modern format.

About the deck, I have it in paper and play it sometimes, but am not nearly as good with it as one should, and this is one of the reasons I think are responsible for the deck to not be played more: it’s very hard to pilot. I would compare it to Bloom Titan, and say it’s somewhat inconsistent. When the draws help, the deck is almost unbeatable, but the weak draws are very problematic. However, it is the Modern deck with more inevitability, it simply wrecks Midrange and Control. Combo, unless blazing fast, fall apart as well. The matchups against Twin and Junk are very good, and this is something I believe has correlation with the deck performance, as those two decks are among the most played.

The weakness of the deck is well-known, aggressive strategies, but it is surprinsingly good against Red based decks. Wurmcoil Engine and Platinum Angel are really hard to deal with. To say the truth, the weakest matchup are those that offer a fast clock with access to Path to Exile, usually Wilted Junk and Zoo.

All that said, I think the only thing keeping U Tron from reaching the top stages is a great finish on a major tourney like a GP.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120394 Sat, 21 Mar 2015 14:46:37 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120394 In reply to Ada.

Glad it was helpful!

One thing I didn’t do was hypothesis testing for the different mean GWPs. This current analysis constructed a confidence interval for the overall population (a pretty broad one), but didn’t then construct a similar interval for each deck. Although MUT has a high GWP, it also might have high variance, and therefore its confidence interval might overlap with the population’s. If so, there wouldn’t be a significant difference between Tron’s GWP and the overall one, even though the average GWP was higher.

Definitely a followup article idea!

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By: Ada https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120393 Fri, 20 Mar 2015 17:27:07 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120393 *learns statistics from reading MTGO meta analyses*

This is actually a really helpful explanation of the data and I’m looking forward to content like this in the future. Maybe I should switch over to mono-U from RG in paper magic just to try it out…

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120392 Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:21:50 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120392 In reply to Roland.

I’m not 100% sure it’s “ignored”, and that’s one of my more speculative points here. But it definitely is underplayed, at least if the 4-0/3-1 finishes are any indication (that gets back at the dataset limitations I mentioned earlier). The only reason I am inclined to believe it is ignored is because some Mono U Tron players have said as much in the past. In that sense, it’s a case of the quantitative data showing evidence of a qualitative phenomenon.

Hopefully we see more Mono U Tron in the future though! It’s a great deck.

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By: Roland https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/03/mono-u-tron-mtgos-best-deck/#comment-2120391 Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:58:52 +0000 http://mastersofmodern.com/?p=565#comment-2120391 I’m a bit surprised that a deck with roots as deep as mono-blue Tron falls in the “underplayed” or “ignored” categories, but your data looks sound. Nicely done.

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