Comments on: Brewing R/W Kiki Control https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Thu, 21 May 2015 17:49:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120693 Thu, 21 May 2015 17:49:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120693 In reply to Bobby Richards.

Just published a new article about it!

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By: Bobby Richards https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120692 Mon, 18 May 2015 23:20:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120692 Have you been working on this lately? How has it been so far?

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120691 Tue, 05 May 2015 03:00:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120691 In reply to Anonymous.

I’m sorry to hear that the adblock notification is frustrating. We really are looking into other options in this area, but the key is to balance our own site revenue (we are a growing site that wants our ads to be seen) with the user experience. We have definitely heard this from you and other users and are investigating some options to address it.

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By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120690 Mon, 04 May 2015 23:07:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120690 In reply to Anonymous.

We’d like a less obnoxious way of asking people to disable ads, but no plugins allow it currently.

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By: Valanarch https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120689 Mon, 04 May 2015 20:01:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120689 I am currently working on a Boros Control deck, but instead of the Kiki/Resto plan I am running 20 1-2 removal spells and a bunch of planeswalkers.

http://www.mtgvault.com/soulofmirrodin/decks/big-boros-2/

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120688 Mon, 04 May 2015 01:32:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120688 In reply to justaguy.

nah he is too stuck up to give a proper answer. considering the stance on adblocking, seems like obnoxious is the word here

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120687 Sat, 02 May 2015 09:43:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120687 In reply to Sean Ridgeley.

great talk.

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By: justaguy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120686 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:17:05 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120686 In reply to Sean Ridgeley.

Regarding Ghostly Prison – they are a nonbo with Planeswalkers, so I think you pick one or the other.

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By: justaguy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120685 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:13:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120685 In reply to Sean Ridgeley.

You can literally replace the Aven’s and Brimaz’s with the combo (4 Resto and 2 Kiki) and you have the same game plan – control the game with burn, use Blood Moon and Molten Rain to attack the manabase and then win with either the combo finish (or Brimaz and his tokens).

There’s a lot to be learnt from Jeff’s version of the deck. Jeff just likes to play fair which turns him off the Resto/Kiki combo.

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By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120684 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:55:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120684 In reply to han.

Land destruction is much better suited to the prison version. It is viable.

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By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120683 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:51:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120683 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

I ran Chandra in Cruise days. Now she’d be a good sideboard card. Siege I think is a lot better in the prison version, and probably one with Elspeth and maybe other token generators, along with Pyroclasm.

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By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120682 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:48:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120682 In reply to justaguy.

Nope.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120681 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:25:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120681 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

This just came to mind – wouldn’t Chandra, Pyromaster or Outpost Siege be an all-star in this sort of deck? The main issue I see with it as compared to its blue counterparts (and that is corroborated to some extent by the other commenters) is that you could grind to a halt and don’t necessarily have that much in the way of secondary wincons unless you adopt the “really slow burn” plan. Chandra, Pyromaster remedies that pretty easily (and I’d wager she’s better bang for the buck than Gideon), and Outpost Siege does something similar if you feel that a Planeswalker isn’t safe enough (but with sweepers and Path, you should be fine). Thoughts?

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By: cyrez https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120680 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 13:24:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120680 I play variations of this very similar list:
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/mikecannon-062414-oops-midrange/
Bit more creatures an less lockdown.

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By: justaguy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120679 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 09:19:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120679 I think this is relevant here:

http://themeadery.org/articles/by-the-white-of-the-moon

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120678 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 05:09:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120678 Is Magma Jet truly our most efficient table-setting option in this deck? Is there no cantrip or flashback effect we can use apart from Wall of Omens? I find it to be a tad lackluster by the standards of what Modern 2-drops are capable of. I feel like scraping out some value via Grim Lavamancer may be something to consider, even if it’s a bit of a non-bo with Pyroclasm.

Another thought is that I know you said you felt confident against aggro, but I still feel that any Boros deck not running Anger of the Gods benefits from Boros Reckoner. It does more than just stonewall aggro – it trades with all sorts of big creatures (which makes it useful against midrange), can block profitably against many others (thanks to first strike), and will generally zap some decks back when they try to kill (not to mention offering a bit of extra value out of your choosing to drop a Pyroclasm on its head). I’d try and make room for that guy.

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By: han https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120677 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 03:00:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120677 Perhaps going into the land destruction and land disruption route coupled with the kiki combo is viable? I’m suggesting if you add land destruction combo such as boom//bust + flagstones of torkair or with fetchland, add magus of the moon for more blood moon effects to disrupt your opponent from interacting with your game plan. With mana problems, they struggle to interact to stop your combo as well as facing a ghostly prison to aggro you out. I also suggest adding ajani vengeant for another win con. I don’t think relying on scry effects to dig for win con especially in a red white deck is good enough, perhaps making your opponents frustrate and despair by blowing up their mana base is a better option.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120676 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:39:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120676 In reply to Sean Ridgeley.

I mean you can’t avoid the comparisons to twin when your primary win con is kiki+resto. Both decks need a backup plan for when the inifnite dudes don’t happen.

While twin will happily electrolyze the face then snap the electrolyze, do we really want to point 2 magma jets to the dome? It is a long slog to 20 if you have to go that way and you’ll regret it when they resolve something meaningful that you could have killed if you’d held that burn spell.

Isochron scepter is an exception here, as helixing every turn “for free” will actually get there in a reasonable amount of time with just a bit of support from them fetch/shocking and you drawing a couple bolts/jets.

But yeah I’m not saying you need a bunch of 2 and 3 mana goblin piker variants – just that the deck needs to reliably close the game once it has control and that’s pretty shakey when all of your opponents removal can still be live and in their hand (dismember, path, cut, bolt-snap-bolt, etc). Kiki is super fragile when you aren’t making them blow their removal on other things or making them discard it 🙁

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By: Todd Roberts https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120675 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:33:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120675 In reply to Sean Ridgeley.

I was running 3 Temples and 3 Walls, but never got around to trying the Magma Jets. It’s possible that would have made a decent impact.

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By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/brewing-rw-kiki-control-2/#comment-2120674 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:15:31 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1598#comment-2120674 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

You’re comparing a tempo deck to a control deck. We don’t need as many creatures as they do to win. Perhaps we need more than we have right now, but we certainly don’t need or want as many as Twin. Batterskull is nice. Jotun Grunt can be nice.

Assemble is definitely meant for the prison version. Not sure I’d run Pyroclasm in that version.

I would never go above 5cmc. Even that sometimes feels like it’s stretching it.

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