Comments on: Gray Areas: Trade Etiquette https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:11:29 +0000 hourly 1 By: Udai Joshi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-558665 Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:11:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-558665 Thanks for a great article Peter.

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By: Udai Joshi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-558662 Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:10:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-558662 In reply to Udai Joshi.

And because I feel as if you would be the type to bring this up latter so I’ll go ahead and explain it to you now. Although technically grammatically correct, using, “excoriate a scumbag,” in this context is as weird as exclaiming, “I am going to abrogate this sandwich!”, while intending to mean, “really go at it!!” as your currently quite hungry.

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By: Udai Joshi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-558636 Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:00:31 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-558636 In reply to JackintheBox333.

Do you not realize the obvious hypocrisy inherent in your statement? Also using a thesaurus to make your arguments seem clever only works when what your saying has some merit. The article is perfectly fine. Honestly it’s like people are too lazy to spend more than a single google searches worth of time to even troll anymore.

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By: Robert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-552711 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 21:40:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-552711 In reply to Hayden.

It’s unfortunate that you’re not comfortable bringing your 12 year old to FNM. Why not try asking the people having inappropriate conversations to tone it down so that your kids can enjoy an awesome game. You could very easily turn FNM into a better community and a positive experience for your family just by speaking up.

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By: JackintheBox333 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-550680 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:24:58 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-550680 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

Yeah it was a joke. However I do honestly feel that it would make the article stronger if you accurately reported the trade as a Snow-Covered Mountain for a Narset, as I feel that when you excoriate a scumbag who takes advantage of kids, its important to have everything correct so that people can’t use it to take advantage of the argument by nitpicking at the smallest of details.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-550613 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:58:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-550613 In reply to JackintheBox333.

This is, of course, a joke?

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By: James https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-549936 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 07:34:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-549936 In reply to Colin.

Meh, I was never protected and I’m better off for it. That said I don’t advise ripping anyone off, but I won’t go out of my way to not trade with people due to age, as that’s not fair to them either.

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By: JackintheBox333 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-549299 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 04:52:00 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-549299 Okay, so you ought to probably correct your article. It wasn’t a mountain, it was a foil Snow-Covered Mountain. While the trade was still lopsided, as of this articles publication, using SCG as a very quick reference, the Narset is only 5 times the value of the Foil Snow-Covered Mountain and not as bad as you were making it out to be.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-548602 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 02:34:37 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-548602 In reply to mike lanigan.

It is important that it was a child, because children are more likely to agree to something against their best interest without being coerced into it.

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By: Colin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-548209 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:23:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-548209 In reply to James.

Oh, come on. Society generally protects small fry because they have neither experience nor impulse control nor good decision making skills. It’s morally and ethically wrong to take advantage of a twelve year old, and if we can’t agree on that, then everyone’s worst beliefs about “speculators” are — at least in part — justified.

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By: Peter https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-546251 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 20:44:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-546251 I try to make “fair” trades no matter what when dealing with people who are either new or very “casual”

I have a junk rare binder and whenever I trade up I tell them whats happening.
– I get a “good” card, that is something that is played in constructed, and they get a lot of cards that while not bad is something that might be harder to trade away. Usually they are perfectly fine with trading away an Ugin for a huuuge stack of 1-2 dollar rares. I also give them a few extra dollar on top from that binder. (I only trade for my personal collection, not for profit)

For the adult players I also try to give them a few hints on how to trade, and how not to get ripped off by others.

I will never trade unfairly with anyone by design, child or adult. But people who I know are seasoned traders that will give good trade value because they desperately need a card is another matter.

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By: James https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-545998 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 20:04:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-545998 Weird, I see no issue, guy tried to offer more kid refused. I was once that kid, made many of the same mistakes, it’s how I learned, had I not dealt with those things, I wouldn’t know half the things I do about magic today, I started at a little older then this kid, I was around 10. My first trade wasd a Vampiric Tutor for some random commons, short term I was pissed, long term I made sure to know better next time.

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By: Matt Rob https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-545879 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:42:34 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-545879 If I do make a trade with a youngster, I try to throw in extra cards beyond the value of the trade for them. Some rando standard card that they’d use every day for a year is much better in their hands than it is sitting in my binder where I’ll never use it. I give my draft cards away too unless I know I’ll use them.

I’m fortunate to have enough disposable income that this stuff doesn’t affect me, but even if money were tight I’d never short someone in a trade. That kind of shark shit bothers me.

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By: mike lanigan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-545712 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:06:36 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-545712 So, if it was a high school kid instead of a small child would that have made it ok? What about if the person looked over 18?

I think we’re focusing on the wrong issue here. Yes it’s important to not rip off children, but it’s also important to not rip off anyone.

My solution to the foil mountain issue is to usually find a lower value item and match the value of what they want or at least close to it.

Many traders wouldn’t feel bad about the trade no matter the situation though (at least from what I’ve seen) and that is concerning.

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By: Anthony Garritano https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-545604 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:37:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-545604 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

Counter question -why would you title the series “Grey Areas” if it’s not accurate? It’s a fair question, if slightly off-topic.

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By: Thumb https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-545566 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:28:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-545566 In reply to Colt Mitchell.

Steal from them instead.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-545120 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 17:08:42 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-545120 In reply to pi.

While I don’t see the other side, it’s still true that some people believe. The entire post was inspired by reading the opinion of one such person.

Gray Areas is just a title. I don’t understand why you would respond to the title.

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By: Colin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-544758 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 16:16:50 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-544758 In reply to marten.

Well, it’s “grey” in the sense that there’s probably a spectrum.

Trading a Mountain for a 12-year old’s Narset? Pretty clearly not OK.
Trading a Savanna to a seasoned dealer for an Underground Sea? Probably fine.

There’s a spectrum of what’s ok and what is not okay, and it probably varies depending on the disparity in value and the sophistication of the parties. It’s not rocket science, but it is grey in the sense that people will differ on where the line actually falls in the area between the two ends of the spectrum.

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By: pi https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-544070 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:53:23 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-544070 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

That’s exactly his point: it’s not grey because only 1 side can really be argued.

I haven’t had such situations since I was a kid or not much older myself and I was probably more aware of card prices than 95% of the adults I was trading with. These days I would give the kid the Mountain.

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By: Colt Mitchell https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/gray-areas-trade-etiquette/#comment-544069 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 14:53:21 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=58803#comment-544069 Rule of thumb: DO NOT trade with children. It’s always more hassle than it’s worth.

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