Comments on: The Rise of Grixis Delver: History and Matchup Analysis https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:29:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sean Ridgeley https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120642 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:29:41 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120642 In reply to Joshua Davenport.

Data is much less valuable if it’s behind a paywall.

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By: amalek0 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120641 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 06:34:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120641 I’d be pissed if a paywall appeared here–it’s something that’s entirely against the base of support behind the site. If you follow them on MTG salvation, you’ll note that ktkenshinx has been a proponent of community generated/collected data and analysis of the data that SCG/WotC/other large TO’s have available to them but do not make public. Part of the reason Pro Tours get analyzed to death is that they are the only large-scale events where we have this level of data. Part of what they’re doing with this project is trying to change that, and I approve. If I weren’t an MTGO agnostic, I’d be scraping data for them myself.

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By: Joshua Davenport https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120640 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:30:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120640 These articles are great. I enjoy the speculation as to why you think the deck is performing the way it is (which is all other authors do) but then test these against the data. A qualitative approach.

This project has so much potential. Once the data increases, this data will be valuable. Paywall valuable? I sign up for scg premium articles just because it is very cheap.

Mtggoldfish has junks metagame percentage plummeting- with the overall amount of bgx decks the lowest since treasure cruised was banned. Am looking forward to the next top decks article in the next two weeks.

Keep up the great work

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120639 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:01:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120639 In reply to Stëfan Bussënschutt.

For sideboard cards, I agree that both UWR and RUG are going to have better options for handling Burn. In that case, Grixis Delver just defaults to Dragon’s Claw and tries to get double-duty from its own spells and Burn’s. From a mana base perspective, however, Grixis Delver can run the fastlands to an extent that other decks can’t. We are seeing more decks on MTGO go up to 2-3 of Darkslick Shores/Blackcleave Cliffs, which is not something we saw in UWR or RUG Delver. The RG fastland is obviously unusable because you can’t cast blue cantrips off it, and the UW fastland is problematic because the only non-blue spell it opens up is Path. Shores gives you both your cantrips and your turn 1 IoK play, not to mention giving you access to the turn 2 Tas off a Scour/Fetch.

Then again, in the case of UWR, this would be offset by UWR having the maindecked Helix. So this is more a strike against RUG than it is against UWR.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120638 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:54:08 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120638 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

It’s one of those situations where we have lots of Merfolk data and we have lots of Grixis Delver data, but we don’t have as much data between the two decks. I am fine to report on the matchup of any deck that played at least 4-5 matches against another. A 1-4 record or 5-0 record is very suggestive of a broader trend, even though we would definitely expect some centralization of those results with more datapoints. But we don’t have that with Grixis Delver v. Merfolk, unfortunately.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120637 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:51:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120637 In reply to John Doe.

Potentially. It needs to translate its considerable MTGO success into more paper success, which it isn’t dong right now. If it can snag one T8 of a GP, however, that should open up the floodgates for people to try this deck en-masse. And once they do that, it should get to tier 1 in no time. But the qualifying event is some GP success in the T8s.

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By: Stëfan Bussënschutt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120636 Thu, 23 Apr 2015 23:42:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120636 “Grixis Delver has a relatively painless manabase, which gives it a lot more game against Burn than would a deck like UWR or RUG Delver”

I disagree on that one and would argue the converse; Grixis Delver’s manabase does hurt a lot, Burn is the Nemesis of this deck – or a very hard match up at least. Especially W and G have better options here with Timely Reinforcements and Feed the Clan to name but a few.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120635 Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:42:09 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120635 Interesting article, and the packaged fact that Amulet Bloom has somehow fallen out of the Top 10 is very surprising to me. I would have expected RG Tron to bite the dust long before Bloom (that certainly helps validate your article’s assertions). I’m assuming you didn’t show the matchups against the rest of the top 10 because there wasn’t enough data to choose from, yes? Because it would be interesting to see how it does (especially against Infect and Merfolk).

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By: Mout https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120634 Thu, 23 Apr 2015 14:36:46 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120634 part of why the burn results are pretty incorrect : the mana base. scalding tarns are what would make the deck expensive. many players chose (or have) to play without them.

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By: John Doe https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/04/the-rise-of-grixis-delver-history-and-matchup-analysis/#comment-2120633 Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:25:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1487#comment-2120633 In this article you state Grixis Delver will likely remain Tier 2 for months to come, but isn’t it a strong contender for Tier 1 status? I mean yeah the Abzan matchup is poor but this deck keeps getting results online. It looks like the real deal.

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