Comments on: Modern Metagame Breakdown: 4/1 – 5/1 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 10 May 2015 15:47:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: Daniel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120771 Sun, 10 May 2015 15:47:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120771 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

So sorry, should of said “rocked” instead of “jund”. This is a joke right? (“The Rock” and “jund” share the same core, it happens to be the same core “junk” shares.) The meta never “souled” before rhino until it had first “junded”, or sorry “ROCKED”, because lingering souls is awesome in the mirror. And sure when DRS got banned people were TRYING oblitorater rock, and when that didnt pull enough weight switched back to jund. The printing of anger of the gods was the nail in the coffin because jund now had a trump card against pod. The printing of TC was the only time that BGx strategies were ever really “dead” in the meta. As long as the core of the deck is still legal (discard, goyfs, abrupt decay, lili) GBx will always be a deck you need to prepare for in the modern meta game, regardless of the 3rd color splash.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120770 Sat, 09 May 2015 13:41:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120770 In reply to Kim Josefsen.

You can’t rely on this kind of turn 3-4 “burst” lifegain against Burn. It was risky even BEFORE Atarka’s Command, and now it’s just stupid. You can now count on Burn having at least 6-8 Cracks/Commands in games 2/3, and even as many as 7 in game 1. This means your turn 3-4 lifegain doesn’t do anything to save you. It’s much more important to answer those early creatures as efficiently as possible. Jund can do this with Bolt. Abzan has to do this with Path (which accelerates Burn into a turn 2 Eidolon/Bolt combo), or AD (which doesn’t trade at parity). Moreover, Abzan’s manabase is very painful. Jund can go turn 1 Cliffs into turn 2 Bolt to both answer a Guide at parity AND to take 0 damage in the process. Playlines like this are what gives Jund a much better Burn matchup than Abzan had.

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By: Kim Josefsen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120769 Sat, 09 May 2015 04:12:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120769 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

What exactly is it you think make jund better against burn? Abzan has rhinos and timely reinforcement to combat the life loss.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120768 Sat, 09 May 2015 01:22:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120768 In reply to nbca.

Hmm the tables should already be sortable by percent via the arrows at the top of each column. The table settings also confirm that they are sortable by visitors, so it should be working.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120767 Sat, 09 May 2015 01:21:17 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120767 In reply to amalek0.

Yeah, we’ll have to see what happens. A big reason I made the prediction is because Grixis Delver IS that deck with consistent MTGO results. Even decks like Affinity, Twin, and Abzan don’t have that kind of consistency these days. But every daily I see, despite averaging about 30 4-0/3-1 players or so, still gets about 3-4 Grixis Delver. The deck would only need 2-3 lists per Daily to sustain that over time, and many dailies have three times that.

Of course, this needs to be revisited after the June GPs. Failure at those events would be a metagame share crash for Grixis Delver. Success would be the opposite.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120766 Sat, 09 May 2015 01:16:10 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120766 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

I like Soul Sisters a lot, but there are a few things I think keep it out of the top. The first is the lack of removal. If I’m entering unknown metagames, I want some high power removal. I’m thinking Terminate or Decay. Bolt or Electrolyze. Soul Sisters is just really light on removal. Taking that a step further, it’s light on interaction period. That can be good in some Modern decks that are doing really powerful proactive things (Burn, Infect, Amulet), but Soul Sisters doesn’t have a gameplan that is particularly powerful. It’s just gaining life and playing a bunch of life. So now we are playing a deck with bad interaction and fairly low power. This can be a turn off for Modern players who are trying to pick a deck. I think this is a little irrational, but I also see the merits to these kinds of objections.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120765 Sat, 09 May 2015 01:07:01 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120765 In reply to Daniel.

I’m not sure if I agree with your assessment about “junding”. In fact, I’m not sure if I agree with your assessment of how the metagames shift from different BGx decks to other BGx decks. When DRS got banned back in January 2014, the metagame was split on whether to stick with Jund or jump to BG Rock. April through July saw the two decks pretty evenly matched in the metagame, with both at around 5.5%. But by September 2014, BG Rock and BGw Souls pulled out ahead. At that time, BGw Souls/BG Rock were collectively at about 6.5% while Jund dropped to 4.5% or so. And of course, the TC era of Modern saw the effective death of Jund, first to Delver and Burn, and then to Pod and Abzan. TC got banned and this didn’t change either. Abzan was clearly the deck of choice, because it had the power (i.e. Bloodbraid Rhino) that Jund lacked.

All of this is to say that Jund wasn’t nearly as consistent as your analysis comes across to me. The metagame has actually never “junded” since DRS died. If anything, it “rocked” or “souled” as players shifted away from Jund. Jund came back, yes, but it was less viable for a long time.

Part of this arises from how different people use different definitions for “tier 1”. For me, it’s a measure of prevalence more than anything else. There is a moderate correlation between prevalence and performance (an upcoming article will discuss this), but prevalence is the primary driver. In essence, tier 1 decks are the ones you can be almost sure to see at tournaments in a date range, and decks you can reasonably expect to perform. You can still play lower-tier decks that are good against the metagame, but those decks aren’t tier 1. And there are times when Jund is such a deck and NOT one of those megadecks.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120764 Sat, 09 May 2015 00:54:50 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120764 In reply to Galerion.

GET ‘EM BOLT! I expect to see a lot of Burn which means I also expect to see a lot less Abzan. Something has to fill the BGx gap in that metagame, and Jund can rise to the occasion.

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By: nbca https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120763 Fri, 08 May 2015 17:24:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120763 As always, thorough, interesting and well-written analysis of the metagame!

I do wonder, is there a way to make the tables sortable by percentages? It would allow you to sort by the info you find most relevant(other than overall prevalence).

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By: Daniel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120762 Wed, 06 May 2015 20:55:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120762 In reply to Valanarch.

Is it though? I’d agree that past turn 3 it is, but before that I’d say definitely not. Against most aggro decks its fine, but do you really want to be giving grixis delver/ twin an extra land to be working with? Probably not. I think it is an amazing card and a defining card of the format, but it’s more of a “necessary evil” type of card.

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By: Valanarch https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120761 Wed, 06 May 2015 20:14:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120761 In reply to Daniel.

I don’t think that Terminate is better than Path to Exile right now.

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By: amalek0 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120760 Wed, 06 May 2015 20:12:30 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120760 I like the breakdowns, but I disagree with one thing–grixis delver retaining a top 2 MTGO status. I don’t personally play on MTGO, but I try to follow its metagame somewhat, and one thing that I’ve noticed is that it reacts very fluidly to its own metagame changes, and can fluctuate rapidly between certain decks. I’ve noticed when observing daily events and such that *often* you will have extreme prevalence of one deck (3 or 4x its metagame share) in an event, and then see it fall off rapidly and disappear for a few days or a week. Sometimes, this is because the deck has very few pilots; other times, its because someone copies a deck (Bahara’s RW D&T for example) and a bunch of people play it the next event or two after a successful stream, and then it falls off entirely when people misplay it and/or the metagame is already hostile to it. MTGO stats are different overall, but they swing wildly and I’ve noticed inbreeding from event to event, especially in standard if you watch 5 or 6 consecutive daily events in full (from a metagame perspective).

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120759 Wed, 06 May 2015 19:58:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120759 Exciting times in Modern, it seems – thanks for all of your hard work. That said, I’m surprised that a deck like Martyr Life/Soul Sisters hasn’t made a move in this meta, given how aggro-oriented it can be (and doubly so with a tough matchup like Infect in free-fall). Why do you think that is?

I’m also surprised by the fall of Living End for more or less the same reason (do we have any theories on why it did poorly on the SCG/TCGs?), though I fully expect Living Twin (or whatever we end up calling that deck) to pop up in its place and claim its meta share.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120758 Wed, 06 May 2015 19:07:53 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120758 Excellent article and analysis. Thanks!

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By: Daniel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120757 Wed, 06 May 2015 18:25:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120757 Great article, as always. I feel like the biggest factor in the metagame shifts all have to do with 3 key cards: Terminate, bolt, and abrupt decay. I think the biggest reason why we are seeing such drastic meta game changes is the fact that abrupt decay and bolt aren’t the hyper-efficient catchalls that they once were in modern. Because of the printing of tasigur, rhino, and other delve cards, terminate is now the king of modern removal. I think that this is a big factor in the rise jund and grixis; access to modern’s best removal spell at the moment. Too many decks are outgrowing bolts and decay which makes them less of the auto-include 4 of they used to be (although if your playing those colors, they still are an auto include 4 of to me, 8 of if you’re jund). Also I think a big shift is when the meta is young and new and shaken up (post pod/TC bans for example) the modern meta game has a tendency to do what I call “junding”. In an unknown meta, it’s usually safe to just sleeve up some jund and ride that to 50/50 matchup success. That’s when junk comes in, and jams lingering souls to out-grind the BGx mirror. Then your infect/affinity/aggro-flavor-of-the-week deck comes in to try to pray on your now bolt-less opponent, to the point where jund is now favored again (the spot we are in now). To not consider jund a tier 1 deck in modern at any given time is just naive, even if it’s not in flavor at the moment, it’s still one of the most consistent decks in the meta at any given time. When bolt becomes bad, terminate becomes great, and that’s the spot we’re in now. The meta is very cyclical and even with the new faces, GBx decks have such a vast card pool to chose from that its a very easy deck to tune to the meta. Aggro heavy? Play jund. Control heavy? Play Junk. I just think that right now terminate is outshining all the other removal in modern at the moment and that is the reason for the rise of BR strategies.

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By: Galerion https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/05/modern-metagame-breakdown-41-51/#comment-2120756 Wed, 06 May 2015 18:07:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=1685#comment-2120756 Good to see Jund again. Grinding since 2012 and still going.

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