Comments on: MTG Origins: Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy & Jace, Telepath Unbound https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:39:17 +0000 hourly 1 By: Matt Doyle https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-1428791 Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:39:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-1428791 Man doesn’t your “high quality” review looks really dumb, Like you have no idea how magic works dumb. Quiet Speculation or just not even understanding speculation

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By: Tyler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-1374816 Mon, 05 Oct 2015 07:08:18 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-1374816 Don’t you feel like a moron now?
As jace creeps up to 80.00 dollars… and is in every blue deck… LOL.

Dont quit your day job.. oh wait.

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By: TROLL https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-1359521 Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:56:35 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-1359521 Ya a 2 mana planeswalker that flips next turn in every format if you play it right, is a looter, and gives flashback for its minus….ya totally unplayable. people can be so bad at evaluating cards. I cant wait to see how wrong people are about BFZ

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By: Hahahahaha https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-1295597 Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:45:07 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-1295597 Jace is now the only planeswalker seeing common use and is currently at a median price of $44 on TCGplayer. Looks like you fucked up.

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By: Ding DOng https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-1252825 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 04:20:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-1252825 This article is utterly embarrassing now that you look back. Everything you said is wrong. What little and terrible foresight you have. Sure you should be doing this?

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By: Colin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-901588 Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:03:53 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-901588 Strong opinions make good internet articles, but they also have the propensity to be wrong. It does not help that this, like may QS articles, is almost nothing more than a link with a small amount of commentary describing it.

Both of these Walkers are very difficult to handle and it is far to early to call them bad. Let’s get one thing out of the way right now: Tibalt was bad for reasons that went beyond raw power level. The only thing he could do out of the gate was give you a bad looting effect. If you wanted to do that at 2 mana, there were two cards IN THE SAME BLOCK that did the job better – Faithless Looting and Desperate Ravings. Add to that the fact that his ability could randomly screw you over and you end up with a card that has no applications.

Jace and Chandra are not Tibalt. Jace is nominally a Merfolk Looter. That’s not a powerhouse, but it is a fine card. Then, in the mid-game, Jace becomes a slower Snapcaster Mage. Now, I don’t know that the love child of Tiago and a Merman is really very powerful, but it is unique and not necessarily bad. If Merfolk Looter flat out DREW you a card every third time you used it, would it be played? That’s not a bad comparison to what Jace does.

Chandra, similarly, is designed to be plugged into the sort of “machine gun” UR decks we saw in the past with cards like Gelectrode. They were never tournament staples, but given the right new printings, they could be. We have lots of powerful tools for a deck like this in Modern at the moment, and a few Lava Dart-esque cards might put it into contention.

Bottom line- don’t rush to judgment because these cards are not named “The Mindsculptor.” Let’s see what they can do.

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By: Kelly Reid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-900635 Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:32:08 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-900635 In reply to David Schumann.

I understand. I am working under the assumption that it will be relatively easy to achieve his threshold, and planning on being able to use him on the subsequent turn.

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By: Kelly Reid https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-900630 Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:31:30 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-900630 In reply to Machius.

Yep, another example of a disappointing 2 mana ‘walker for sure. I really wanted him to be good. But he just wasn’t.

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By: David Schumann https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-899341 Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:56:47 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-899341 It’s important to note that Jace’s ability doesn’t have to be activated 5 times…it needs to be activated once, you just have to have 4 other cards in your graveyard when you activate it…which isn’t that hard in blue decks. His biggest downside is that his only really good ability is the -3…though the +1 isn’t bad if you can get him on an open field (or with only 1 creature…say a Delver of Secrets)

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By: Machius https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/06/mtg-origins-jace-vryns-prodigy-jace-telepath-unbound/#comment-897656 Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:29:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=60828#comment-897656 I’m not sure why you were still wondering about 2 cost planeswalkers. We’ve had a real one for ages and based on Tibalt the answer is – be unplayable.

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