Comments on: Answering Four Modern Banlist Questions https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Fri, 24 Jul 2015 04:27:54 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Giovannagelo https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121375 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 04:27:54 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121375 In reply to 2ndPerk.

Let me know if you approve of the quality on the rest of the articles from this week. If you have any other comments, please let me know!

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By: 2ndPerk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121374 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:11:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121374 In reply to Beryl Lasko.

Artcile…

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By: 2ndPerk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121373 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:10:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121373 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Well, that’s great.

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By: David Clatterbuck https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121372 Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:30:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121372 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

There are a lot of reasons that people want to take cards off the banlist, and if you attribute them all to me it’s easy to ignore what I actually said. The specific argument “Save unbans for a stagnant format” was presented, and that’s what I was responding to. That argument seems inherently flawed, because if WOTC can’t keep the format dynamic with new cards why would we think they could manage the unbans well enough to fix the mistake?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121371 Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:25:44 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121371 In reply to David Clatterbuck.

My question to you: why do you want cards to come off the banlist if the format is diverse, fun, and evolving already? As long as Wizards continues releasing gems like Eidolon and CoCo, there’s no reason to risk the format’s health for the sake of having a shorter banlist, which doesn’t do anything to improve Modern gameplay on its own. For me, the goal isn’t to have the “best-looking banlist” (even there, shorter is not necessarily better), it’s to have the most enjoyable format.

I’d assume you either have a pet card on the list, which I can understand but I don’t think is a good reason to unban something that ALL Modern players will then have to potentially be oppressed by, or that you feel there aren’t enough viable, interesting cards in Modern to brew. If you do feel that way, check out my sleepers article from two weeks ago and take a second look at some sets like Darksteel, Innistrad, and even Origins; there are plenty of powerful, unplayed cards in Modern begging to be broken open!

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By: Beryl Lasko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121370 Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:16:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121370 In reply to 2ndPerk.

I don’t know what your talking about? I didn’t see any thing wrong with this artcile. I just think your being picky! 😀

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121369 Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:56:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121369 In reply to 2ndPerk.

We just onboarded an editor actually! The only reason this one evaded the editor was because I was on vacation last week which caused all sorts of scheduling craziness. But starting tomorrow, every article will be edited by our new guy.

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By: David Clatterbuck https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121368 Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:57:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121368 In reply to Sheridan Lardner.

Isn’t the counterpoint to this that almost every set now basically has at least one or two cards with major Modern impact? Just over the past few we’ve had Eidolon of the Great Revel, then the whole blue delve fiasco, then Tasigur, then CoCo and the commands, not to mention Nykthos, Swiftspear, and of course this website’s favorite, Day’s Undoing. Obviously not all those cards have rewritten the format equally, but I think waiting for stagnation to unban is basically saying “we only get cards back if R&D stops doing their jobs.”

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By: 2ndPerk https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121367 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:56:34 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121367 Interesting article, but I think you need to either pay attention while editing more, or get an editor. I noticed about 3 or 4 mistakes while reading it.
Its not really a huge deal, but there are people like me who are really bothered by things like that.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121366 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:15:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121366 In reply to Gerogero.

Sorry, that was meant more as a joke/comment in the tone of those who believe unbans are tied to the Pro Tour. Didn’t mean it as an actual quote or source (hence no link or citation), so apologies if it came off that way!

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121365 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:14:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121365 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Agree. I would also add that Wizards has a limited supply of unbans they can do to shake up a format, so those should be saved for when the shakeup is needed. To some extent, this is a bit of a marketing and management gimmick, but it also serves an important metagame function. It’s hard to predict what unbans will do in an unstable metagame, and impossible to isolate an unban’s effect from the metagame’s natural evolution. Wizards probably wants to avoid this, which is another reason they hold off from unbanning cards.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121364 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:12:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121364 In reply to Beryl Lasko.

I think that’s a great comparison. Wizards will be more likely to play some “Topple” with Modern if the format is either too stagnant or if a deck is too dominant and an unban can potentially address that. But for now, as you said, we are at a good equilibrium point.

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By: Gerogero https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121363 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:38:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121363 Well, Maro is on record saying its “professional tour”.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121362 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:30:32 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121362 For the unbans, I think its perfectly reasonable to save those for when the format feels stagnant as a way to shake things up without needing to print new powerful cards. With delve, kolagans command, and collected company all having big impacts from recent sets, unbanning right now is not only risky balance-wise when the meta is inf lux, but just bad pacing in general for keeping modern fresh.

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By: Beryl Lasko https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/answering-four-modern-banlist-questions/#comment-2121361 Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:20:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3169#comment-2121361 There’s a old school balancing game called “Topple”, where you place little weights around a balancing platform. Adding or removing weights, even if it looks stable, could spell disaster, and of course the platform ‘topples’ over.

Now, Modern isn’t going to “topple” over, but it a good thing for the format when everything is nice and even, and I think this is what we have today (as you are saying). I can see how adding or removing cards from the format could perhaps create an imbalance. Wizard’s doesn’t want to intentionally make the game any less fun for anyone. I see no changes currently as a good thing!

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