Comments on: Magic Origins in Modern: Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:26:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Toringar https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121548 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:26:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121548 Hey man, good article. I too believe Jace will make waves throughout Modern (though I’ve already been ridiculed for expresing that opinion by the oh so wonderful and open-minded players at my LGS). Keep up the good work!

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By: Galerion https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121547 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:46:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121547 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Well Im certainly not such a big fan of Day’s Undoing like you seem to be so there is that 🙂

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By: MattT https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121546 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:11:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121546 Jace barely need Thought Scour either. T1 – fetch + Cantrip (Probe/Serum), T2 – fetch + Jace, T3 – Cantrip + Loot = Flip. The ca through recycling cantrips is enough to slot him in imho. Then there’s e.g. Discard to consider. T1 IoK into Seize + recycled IoK T3 wrecks anyones plans. He seems to fit quite a few decks.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121545 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 02:30:30 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121545 In reply to Galerion.

Chandra is certainly worse in a deck without Day’s Undoing. Lachney played 4.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121544 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:45:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121544 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

That’s certainly true. Fortunately for it, Path is seeing as little play as it probably ever will right now (since Abzan, Abzan Company, and Jeskai Midrange/Control are all Tier 2 at the most), and you could just side it out against any deck playing white anyway.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121543 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:03:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121543 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

The modular synergies are fun and interesting! I don’t think I would ever want Hangarback in my opener, as it doesn’t play well with the rest of the deck and all of our 2+ spells win the game (Overseer, Plating, Ravager, Champion). It could be a sweet thing to bring in against removal heavy decks, but man is it bad against Path to Exile.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121542 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:00:50 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121542 In reply to Acetyle.

It’s hard to answer this, as it really just comes down to play style and other factors. I consider this the same issue as spending removal to protect delve creatures; sometimes it could be right, depending on if the delve guy is killing our opponent, other times we might be fine letting it die, as we can always draw into another one or a Kolaghan’s Command. I think it’s important to remember that we are always a control deck, the lategame should benefit us, and we don’t really NEED our creatures to survive, as we can just kill them with Creeping Tar Pit. Definitely an interesting question 🙂

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121541 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:59:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121541 In reply to Acetyle.

Which is why I’d much rather be running Young Pyromancer in the two drop spot.

2 CMC and if left unchecked will run away with game.

Jace gives a couple loothouse activations before a one off (effectively) sorcery speed flash back. At this point I’d much rather have the 2 drop that can win me the game.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121540 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:32:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121540 Interesting article. I don’t necessarily agree with your take on Hangarback Walker – it has great synergy with Arcbound Ravager and Steel Overseer, especially when the Ravager gets targeted by removal and you have to put your Modular counters where they might do some good. I don’t think it’s more than a 2-of, but that’s still not bad.

I actually think that the best home for Jace is Grixis Control, for the reasons you mentioned (even more value, very easy to flip, weak body is less relevant). Twin may or may not be able to wring some use out of him, but I know I’d rather play a Vendilion Clique in that deck.

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By: Jake Sanders https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121539 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:21:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121539 What do you think about Jace in UR Storm? Like with Splinter Twin, he helps sculpt the hand so that it’s perfect to go off, he’s very easy to flip, he can slow down the opponent so that you have more time before you have to go off, and he can even let you get an extra ritual or cantrip from your graveyard if you don’t have a Past in Flames. Just wondering. He may be to fragile, and he isn’t great when going off. But as a one of maybe?

Also, really well written article! Thanks!

—Jake

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By: Galerion https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121538 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:55:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121538 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

Ash Durrbeck made top 6 in the SCG Open in Richmond and she said that wouldn’t play Chandra next time.

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=88220
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/3435_standard_open_top_8_profiles.html

I agree with the general sentiment though that only time will tell what’s good and what is not though everybody will have his own opinion of what these will be.

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By: Acetyle https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121537 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:26:52 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121537 I curious in the Grixis control. Should a person spend resources to keep the Jace alive? Lets say, bolting the 2/2 creature. Would you want to spend a dispel, or just let it die? Saying that the 2 mana and your second turn was 3 life (For example, the bolt has doesn’t have any other targets so, it goes to the face?)

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121536 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:56:02 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121536 In reply to Galerion.

FWIW, Donovan Lachney just took 5th at a Standard SCG IQ with 4 Chandra and 4 Undoings in his mainboard:

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=88061

Like Trevor said, we’ve only just begun to see Origins’s impact on constructed formats. It’s still too early to dismiss cards that do something unique.

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By: Galerion https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/07/magic-origins-in-modern-jace-vryns-prodigy/#comment-2121535 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:27:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=3540#comment-2121535 Just a tiny nitpick but you said that Jace was maligned as the worst flip-walker. While people certainly weren’t high on him including me to be honest, Chandra was clearly the worst of the cycle. She really IS horrible.

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