That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

Community contributions should only have relevance if the player is borderline, and Efro is so far ahead of any one eligible. Plus he probably is the best player playing right now.

Also, I’d make the same argument for Saito if not for the fact that commenters have accused me of being scum for much less than that. I agree with the point that slow play isn’t anywhere near the level of stacking decks though.

I’m giving Willy the nod because he’s a TO and he went out of his way to BUILD a community. I don’t count content production short of releasing great decks before you play them or timeless strategy articles as relevant community contributions. That’s all just stuff that you can do as a pro to make money.

He is also doing VSL coverage now too for the record. I want to include Shouta on my ballot too because his lifetime career of consistently doing well is extremely impressive. So what if he only has 2 PT top 8’s. There’s a whole list of other high finishes unlike any other player on the list. I think that type of long standing and impressive career should be rewarded.

I didn’t not vote for him because he’s a lock, I didn’t vote for him and he’s a lock. I don’t see the things you cited as relevant community contributions for HoF potential.

This is where I am very, very glad the community vote counts as only one. Not voting for Efro because he is a “lock” is like the people who never voted for Nolan Ryan of Babe Ruth because they are “locks.” Efro streams, he does Constructed Resources, he has become a more outspoken and positive member of the community in the past few years and is generally liked among the rest of the pro community, the ones that actually know him. This is sort of akin of people voting for Cheon in the community vote and have no real clue.

The 3 most correct picks are Efro, Wily, and Heezy/Gary (could be both). I 100% think this is not a 5 person ballot year.

As for Saito, I 100% think he belongs in at some point based on stats and his community work. Stalling is very different than the blatant cheating that was going on in the past. He will need several years of squeaky clean play, but I think he will get there within the next 2-3 years.

Yes it would. It doesn’t matter how successful he is, if you’ve been caught cheating you’re a cheater and have no place in a Hall of Fame. After all, how can you prove any future success isn’t just a “better cheat”? If you sacrifice your honor/reputation to win then you don’t get it back.

I mentioned that there are people who think like this in my post, and it’s a respectable position. Not sure what your comment adds to the discussion…

As a firestarter though, is there an level of success going forward that could change your mind on Saito? I know that a lot of people say one more PT Top 8 (or a win) would put him right back in the discussion, but from your wording I don’t think that would do it for you. What if he Top 8’d, say, five more PTs without being under investigation? Would his shady past still keep you off him?

Efro has exceptional stats in the “in the conversation” level of results. I think he’s already a lock, and with a fifth PT Top 8, there’s no way he misses. That said, I think that he’ll get that fifth Top 8 (and soon), and barring anything outside of the stats department I don’t see a reason to vote for him. He’s not a deck designer to my knowledge, and he doesn’t make significant community contributions. He’s much less negative than he used to be, but even still his Twitter isn’t exactly a place for warm feelings. Efro will easily get my vote with a fifth Top 8, but as far as I know he just doesn’t have anything of note going on outside of the stats department.

I don’t know many of the US pro’s, but I do know Eu pro’s and have a better idea about the way they play, and what they are worth.