Path to Exile is also one burn’s few outs to Tasigur/Goyf/Gurmag Angler. Those creatures brick burns creatures so hard and having a one mana answer that is also relevant in other match ups (Tron, mirror, merfolk) seems better than Pyrite which has much more limited applications.

Honestly, 19 versus 20 lands is totally personal preference. When you really break it down we are talking about something that will affect you 1 percent of the time, roughly. Personally, I find 20 lands the more comfortable place to be, as outside of drawing very well, you do want to see 2-3 land a game.

Thanks for the feedback! I definitely find that with the uptick of merfolk and affinity the 3 color’s in the main does us more harm then good, but as always you must play to the meta.

I can definitely attest to winning quite a bit of match ups against burn because I ghost quartered a land they needed for one or more spells in their hand. That gave me the precious extra turns I needed to race them back. It’s definitely a weakness of the Atarka’s command deck, at least from an opponent’s perspective

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27944_Burn-vs-Counters.html

I believe this article gives a decent outline of playing against blue counter decks. It isn’t Modern Burn specific, but might still be of sone use to you.

Loosing boos charm is too damning imo. I tried Jund. It didn’t work.

Some thoughts as a non Burn player (but I played a ton against it):

Command shines in a creature light meta. The same is true for Nacatl. Both cards benefit a ton, if the opponent has no reliable access to an early blocker such as Goyf/Tas/Nacatl. Thus, you can deal more damage with your creatures without losing a lot.

However, if your meta has more creatures decks in it, both cards get a lot worse. Most of the times, the creatures deck are either aggro decks or some kind of combo (something like Zoo, any form of CoCo, Meerfolk,…). Against those decks, both cards (so Nacatl and Command) are bad.

Furthermore, I saw several times, what burn loses with the G splash, namely a ton of consistency. Many of my opponents lost, because they couldn’t cast their spells. But I still think, that Naya burn is the better deck in creature light metagames.

Funny enough, one of the best creatures against burn is Wild Nacatl, since he kills every single creature and you need to waste burn on him. He is one of the reasons, why Zoo has such a good burn match-up (at least from my experience).

Greetings,
Kathal

PS: What do you think about a RG Burn deck? Saw some of those running around, but I don’t like the lose of both SB options and Helix/Charm.

It is a very good match up, but I don’t have a problem making it better! It’s also just better in general, against twin, ect. As well as getting around the atarka’s command to save a firewalker!

Exactly. My initial testing found it not so great, but it needs to be tested in a far larger amount of games then I did.

I guess Tron is a bit of a problem for Pyrite Spellbomb, but isn’t that a matchup that you stomp anyway? I freely admit I don’t give Tron a whole lot of thought as Burn, because I figure if all goes well for me, it’s an easy W.

As for Day’s Undoing… Yeah, I’m not entirely sure if this is the right deck for it, but I figured it was worth a shot. It’s worked decently, but I decided to keep all 4 colors and sometimes you take a lot of damage yourself. It may not be worth it, but I need to gather more data (and opinions) to be certain.

Thanks!

I should have mentioned Pyrite Spellbomb – up to a few weeks ago that’s exactly how my list was – (bombs for paths). My biggest problem was that quite a few Tron decks had popped up, and a turn 3 Wurmcoil (while able to be played around) is much easier to just path.

The second problem is that in the mirror match, players who run atarka’s command can protect the firewalker by +1+1’ing his team when you crack the spellbomb.

I’ve tested Day’s Undoing off and on – I really can’t decide how I feel. 3 mana is worrisome, and you need to have emptied your hand to get the most value. I feel like it doesnt fit in, but that could be wrong!

However, I am a bit curious as to why you chose Path to Exile over Pyrite Spellbomb as your tool of choice to deal with the likes of Kor Firewalker, Master of Waves, and Auriok Champion. Doesn’t an answer that gives you the option to cycle it or use it to fulfill your prime directive (count to 20) profile as a better choice? It also answers Etched Champion as a bonus.

Lastly, I wanted to ask if you had considered testing Day’s Undoing. It makes the mana base all sorts of complicated (unless you cut green), but the prospect of Burn refueling its hand is pretty scary for most opponents. What say you?

I’d highly encourage running Feed the Clan as a 1-2X vs burn if you find the match-up at all challenging. It is way more effective than any sorcery speed lifegain, as burn can almost never afford not to tap out at some point during the game (where as burn often can hold up one or more skullcrack type effects). Even using it for 5 life is often enough to win the game, and with Goyf you should have a decent chance of triggering for 10. Again, even without ferocious, a feed snap feed for a total of 10 lifegain is virtually unbeatable.

The biggest reason I play it in my board as a 2x is the term “Spell Mastery.”

It is quite the finisher against all the Snapcaster decks, and Merfolk, which has seen an increase in play. I had it as a 1-of in my side, but immediately bumped it to 2 after seeing it in action. If you expect a lot of Dispel-esque, and Merfolk decks, I would try it out.

RUG Twin doesn’t run Feed the Clan – mostly because Ferocious is unreliable in a deck with only Tarmogoyf to turn it on.

Thragtusk + Huntmaster of the Fells is the life gain (Huntmaster pre-board).

Dispel, Snap, Dispel is the best thing in the deck I’ve found. But I was wondering if there was something else I was missing.

I feel like you are moving towards more of a zoo deck when you add Nacatl’s, which is outside of the philosophy behind burn. Off the top of your deck, Nacatl does nothing. Having it in your deck lowers the consistency of the deck (a point I’m making throughout the article). To me, the power level of all of these cards do not equal the power level of being the most consistent and least affected by variance.

As for the the lists, I’m sure for every green splash Nacatl list, you could find a list without them, or straight R/W, or some other build. Doing well with a card in the deck doesn’t mean it IS good in the deck. I could put 4 shocks in the deck and probably win a few dailies. You don’t get to see every Nacatl list that lost when they drew it instead of a bolt 🙂

Thanks for feedback!

Can you link me more info on it? I have read everything i could on it and want to learn more.

RUG Twin should have a better time against Burn than the other Twin variants, specifically because Goyf is such a house in the matchup. Feed-Snap-Feed doesn’t hurt, either.

Depending on what other people are playing, it can actually be wrong not to run Nacatls in Burn. Obviously, the Nacatl/Atarka Burn deck is a different build, and Nacatl doesn’t just “fit in” to the flex spots of a more cookie-cutter list. But I would like to have seen it addressed or acknowledged at the very least. Instead, you dismissed Wild Nacatl by calling it “good” but not “outstanding” and claiming it doesn’t fit into the Burn deck, which recent results have indicated is just false.

Some Nacatl Burn lists and info, for reference:

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10024&d=257846&f=MO
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10024&d=257849&f=MO
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpcha15/modern-history-2015-06-13
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/what-i-played-and-what-i-should-have-played-in-charlotte/

Plenty more can be found just by Googling around the web, including more finishes and big discussions on Reddit and MTGSalvation.

Some valid points. on your reddit post someone mentioned that they are in a very heavy grixis and control meta (same for me) so i suppose that is why atarka has been doing so well for me.

Could you please give me an in-depth “how to fight any variant of the UXx shell ” how to? One of my worst matchups usually.