Comments on: Devoid of Enthusiasm: BFZ Spoiler Review, Part I https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:37:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mark https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122180 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:37:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122180 I’m surprised no one has mentioned Wasteland Strangler.

Curving Tidehollow Sculler into Wasteland Strangler is a complete blowout in any creature matchup, and Flickerwisp has big synergies with both. Could push the Death and Taxes Archetype in a B/W direction. Also randomly hoses suspended Rift Bolts or makes pathing a low drop less painful since you can make use of the exiled card

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By: Sylvan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122179 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:31:43 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122179 Awaken isn’t a bad mechanic, it’s just happens to be a less interesting evoke. Now that I see it, I can’t unsee it, and putting counters on a land means everybody feels vanilla as hell. The effects on the awaken cards are generally pretty dull as well. The whole set feels like a cycle.

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By: Jorge https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122178 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 05:35:14 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122178 I watched the community cup and it thankfully looks more like Rise of the Eldrazi than Zendikar for Limited purposes. There’s a lot of incentive to play big spells, because the big eldrazi and the awaken cards are both really solid.

As for Modern… well, at least i won’t be spending too much money on BfZ singles. *shrug*

I think you may be being a bit unfair on Retreat to Coralhelm. Splintertwin also “does nothing” on its own, but wins with a Pestermite or Deceiver or gains a ton of value off a Snapcaster. Likewise for Coralhelm, which is kinda badn on an empty board, but wins with a Knight or does wonky stuff with other cards. You’re 100% right about Bant not being the most exciting color combination though. Lacking bolt and Abrupt decay is usually not where you want to be in this format.

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By: Craig Cliburn https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122177 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:22:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122177 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

While cards like that might be bad in general, I think the Enchantment is actually going to be good, here is why:
At the absolute worst, it gives every land scry 1 (and fetchlands scry2)
Lets you attack past single big blockers (deciever, tas, tarmo, ect)
If you have a dork in play, the enchantment now has the option of becoming lotus cobra
and then at the top end, if you get a knight of the reliquary in play, you get to win the game.
And you get all of the above without actually having to play ‘bad’ cards in your deck, Knight is just a really good magic card on its own, and so is the enchantment.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122176 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:43:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122176 In reply to Francis Jodoin.

BFZ looks like a really fun Limited format to me.

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By: Francis Jodoin https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122175 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 05:57:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122175 To be honest it should be the norm that only a select few card make to non-rotating formats, but BFZ even fails the select few. I had high hopes for cheap playable allies. The land is nice but the rest are trash/overcosted.

The only card i’m initially interested in is bring to light. Travis Woo made a brew fest on channelfireball and it looks like a fun build around card.

I might be the only one on this page to actually like the art on expedition lands, haha! I’m probably biaised though, i just love foil alternate art cards in general.

I don’t care much about standard but BFZ seems underpowered even for that format. My only hope for this set at this point is limited, i hope it is sweet otherwise BFZ will be a massive fail. Still i’m fine with that, i’ve seen the game long enough to know that all sets can’t be homerun. A little break from the trumoil of delve isn’t so bad. There will be plenty of future sets to shake things up, let’s hope the next one is (i’m looking at the rest of the manlands in particular, i hope they will be better than the two we got).

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122174 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 03:27:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122174 Another person who started staring into blank space and saying “wtf” over and over again when I say Horribly Awry. Mayby I should read the card next time. Oops 🙂

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122173 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 03:23:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122173 In reply to Anonymous.

This will not see play in modern, the lifeloss is a thing

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122172 Sun, 20 Sep 2015 03:21:29 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122172 In reply to newplan.

Even with that, read the bones is a lot better, because
1 color: read the bones is a lot better,
2 colors: read the bones is strictly better, and
3 colors: there about even because it has been mathematically proven that scry 1 = draw half a card

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By: newplan https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122171 Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:06:03 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122171 You’re mis-evaluating Painful Truths – the B is a color too.

2B draw a card for each color you spent to cast it in grixis is URB – draw 3 cards. That might be playable. RBG draw 3 cards is 100% playable in jund and will be main decked. WBG draw 3 will see play in junk. Esper won’t play it because 1 fewer card but instant speed and flexible is better so Esper Charm is better. No one really plays BRW or BUG.

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By: Jeramie Pfeffer https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122170 Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:51:11 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122170 Now that the full spoiler is out. I’ll pick up a couple of commons / uncommons in foil. The full art expedition lands are just gross. I wouldn’t even invest the money in a pack war with this set. Total BFZ value for me will be about $15 in foils and 3 months of waiting for the next set.

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By: David Ernenwein https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122169 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:52:35 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122169 In reply to Matt Skeels.

It does look that way. Power seems concentrated in high-end, probably unplayable creatures rather than across the board like in Khans or Origins.

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By: Matt Skeels https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122168 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:50:23 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122168 Is BFZ a power creep reset?

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122167 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:20:47 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122167 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

As guy who has been trying to make shamans work, do you think he would be good in that? We shaman players have been praying for a 1-mana shaman mana dork since forever

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122166 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:47:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122166 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

100% with you on this, Jordan. I came into this set with high hopes, and got smacked back down by the cold, hard reality of how lackluster it is from the Modern POV. Allies got the Ally Encampment land and pretty much nothing else (Drana fails the Bolt test, as mentioned above, and anything CMC 4+ is bad for a deck that relies on Collected Company as much as Allies do).

That said, I think that referring to Lumbering Falls as a variant on Treetop Village is too high a praise for what in my view is a middle-of-the-road manland. Sure, hexproof is great, but land hate like Ghost Quarter and Tectonic Edge can still grab it in response to its activation, and (unlike Village) it has no evasion of any kind, which makes it susceptible to chump-blockers. I just think the 2UG activation cost is a bit high – Creeping Tar Pit and Stirring Wildwood are both lower (and almost indisputably better) and Raging Ravine (a much faster clock) is the same cost. I think that decks like Sultai Control or Temur Midrange may like it (and maybe having 2 sets of manlands helps differentiate them from the likes of Grixis Control), but both of those are Tier 3 at most right now. I don’t think this pushes them into the heart of the meta conversation.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122165 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:45:58 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122165 In reply to Saru.

Cards like Retreat are “traps” because they don’t do anything on their own. In those colors, I’m assuming you’re running Hierarch to power out 2nd turn 3-drops. Wouldn’t you rather Retreat be a Geist most (all) of the time?

(For the record, I think Geist is bad and Bant is a very weak color combo in Modern due to the absence of Lightning Bolt.)

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By: Saru https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122164 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:31:07 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122164 What do you think about the hype over a possible Bant Retreat to Coralheim + Knight of the Reliquary combo deck. It’s a fairly compact combo that while disrupt-able could easily fit in a midrange beatdown shell.

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By: Rory Alexander Farrell-Madden McDonough https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122163 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:50:30 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122163 Yeah, definitely a let down on the Modern side of things (and a bit underwhelming for current standard archetypes, actually). When I first looked at Horribly Awry, I was really excited, but then I realized it was creature spell only!

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122162 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:27:50 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122162 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

To be fair, that land is really good for the deck. To be fairer, this set absolutely blows.

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/devoid-of-enthusiasm-bfz-spoiler-review-part-i/#comment-2122161 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:59:44 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4624#comment-2122161 I felt like after Khans block modern could use a breather so I was hoping we wouldn’t have another round of tasigur/kolagans command/collected company type cards. With zendikar the home of goblins, vampires, and allies I just wanted to see these tribes get pushed up a bit in modern (sorry elves – you won a big event a while back so no love needed for you)

Goblins can’t complain too much as we just got piledriver, but I really wanted to see a haste-rally goblin at 2 mana – instead its at 4 making it garbage for both allies and goblins.

Vampires – I’m not even sure what this deck would need to get better in modern – probably a one mana relentless rats variant or a 2 mana lord of some sort to complement the virtually-3-mana kalastria highborn and the nocturnus.

Allies – biggest flop is here. We get a good land, and a modest upgrade over cleric/paladin in lantern scout. The other 3 options are all sketchy – gideon may make the cut but if he does he probably comes out of the board for midrange games. Drana provides no immediate impact and dies to bolt. The W 2/1 doesnt fit the game plan very well – we want our freeblades and champs to grow into huge beasts if not dealt with. Adding elite vanguard doesn’t help the hardened scales plan but if we get aggressive enough maybe it makes the cut in some builds.

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