Comments on: Rally to the Ally Cause https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 28 Sep 2015 03:49:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: David https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122234 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 03:49:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122234 In reply to Aubrey Patrick Bowen.

Is there an Ally that isn’t affordable? It’s the damn fetch lands, cavern of souls and the like that are out of reach by most but the rich and or dumb.

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By: David https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122233 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 03:46:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122233 And 600 dollars later you have a decent deck..

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122232 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:36:48 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122232 In reply to Aubrey Patrick Bowen.

Yeah, I realize that might have come off as a bit intense. But I really disagree strongly with the direction the author took this deck in, and I needed to make sure I got my 2 cents. As for your brews… I’ll be happy to take a look. I’ll be posting under the username rothgar13.

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By: Aubrey Patrick Bowen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122231 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:13:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122231 In reply to Aubrey Patrick Bowen.

Maybe if it was a one of from the utilities, using my list, then drop the scales, drop the vial, and add some of the utility cards. I think that could have potential. Or just go way down, and use scales maybe as a 2 of and same for vial.

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By: Aubrey Patrick Bowen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122230 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:13:28 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122230 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Hey Roland, man, though you do come across as a bit intense, I think your points are very well thought out. I don’t think the deck is a bad deck, but I can see how it won’t be as synnergistic as the ones with all the two drops. I think it would still win matches at your local game store but maybe not against more established decks like twin or machines. (though machines may have a harder time against this ally deck)
I’d really appreciate someone like you looking over my brews every now and then at tappedout.net. Here is the 5 color ally one I just recently updated with the new ally stuff. : http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/all-in-allies/

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By: Aubrey Patrick Bowen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122229 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:48:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122229 I’m glad to see another allies deck out there. It also seems like the deck will be pretty competitive. I still think the ‘growing’ +1+1 counters will be the allies of choice in the modern format. I also think WOTC is giving a not towards my 5 color allies, which can be seen here, http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/all-in-allies/ . , with some of the new additions added to the board. Hardened scales, along with them growing, helps your creatures be pyroclasm proof. Either way, the new allies are more accessible and will probably be affordable so new players can break into the modern scene, which is a win for all of us. 🙂

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122228 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:14:06 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122228 In reply to Anonymous.

That’s kind of a weak argument, honestly. The mana cost of the creatures doesn’t matter as much as what you get out of them. In the case of Allies, the beef is at the 2-drop spot, with Oran-Rief Survivalist, Akoum Bladesinger, and Kazandu Blademaster (you can even throw the Kor Bladewhirl in if you want). Your deck as currently constructed essentially prays for a T1 Freeblade and a T2 Akoum Bladesinger (or T1 Vial and T2 Bladesinger + Freeblade) to stick, then to hit 2 more land drops (hopefully while casting Allies every turn) so that you can flip a Company for value and maybe scrounge up enough damage + evasion for lethal. There are a lot of moving parts in that plan, and while some are just vicissitudes of the creature type (Allies are good when they’re casting dudes every single turn), others are entirely avoidable.

I fail to see how this deck generates any notable sort of early pressure without both Freeblade and Bladesinger (due to the lack of size and high CMC of the creature base), and how it hits 4 mana consistently (due to the lack of ramp and low land count). I’m sorry, but this needs work.

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By: Alex https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122227 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:17:24 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122227 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

I agree strongly with this post.

I too question the inclusion of Bladewhirl. There was access to a first strike ability before, in the form of the mentioned Highland Berserker, and it never really found a home in most ally decks.

I still don’t know what to think of the Firemantle Mage. I consider its ability worse than that of the evangel and if you have both out, menace becomes irrelevant. But with all the 3 drop allies in this deck that do not grow with +1/+1 counters, amazing support cards like Abzan Falconer or Mirrors Entity are not that effective. So i see why this card was included over them.

The blademaster is just penomenal. Being able to grow is something worth considering. Especially since i am failing to see what the support creatures are actually supporting. The only creatures that can grow and present a threat are Hada Freeblade and the Warleader. Even with the lord effect of Adaptive Automaton I see this deck getting stuck on a board with 3/3 creatures midgame where you have to hit a creature topdeck to make them being able to attack. And the colorfix should not be that hard, since there are only two lands that can not produce white mana for the blademaster.

The inclusion of Lantern Scout in this build is understandable. Your vial being on three and the ability to be picked up by CoCo make this one a strong card in this deck, compared to the bigger Thalus Paladin.

With a deck that has a lot of 3-drops, 20 lands seem to be dangerous. Maybe 22 lands or the inclusion of Harabaz Druid could provide a more consistent mana source to not be as reliant on the vial.

I see that this deck tries to get the best out of vial and CoCo with playing 3-drops, but i do not see much pressure being build in turn one and two, compared to the 2-drop allies.

I like to see allies that are more midrange. However i too would include more two drop allies to also have access to support cards like the falconer or mirror entity and to have more aggro on the board.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122226 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 03:58:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122226 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Sorry that I don’t have time to pick through your whole paragraph, at this point I’m fairly tired.

The reason for all the 3 drops is quite simply, Collected Company. Collected Company is at its best when you get 2 3 drops, and the value is all generally downhill from there, putting 2 1 drops into play isn’t particularly exciting, so these kind of decks tend to lean away from traditional low drop creatures.

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By: Sheridan Lardner https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122225 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:45:39 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122225 In reply to TGaggles.

I would actually lean towards Dromoka’s Command here. It’s creature removal, Twin removal, sweeper protection, and gives a bit of sustained damage. Boros Charm also does the sweeper protection and the damage piece, but I like having more interactive options to prevent some matchups from becoming coin tosses. Command even helps against the random noninteractive decks, killing Electromancers, destroying Ascensions, and sacrificing Unlifes!

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122224 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:20:37 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122224 I like the idea of Naya Allies if you’re not going to go the Hardened Scales route (if you do use that enchantment, I think the balance tilts toward Abzan instead), but I question several inclusions and exclusions here. Chief among the exclusions is Kazandu Blademaster, which is arguably the best Ally printed, yet missing from your deck. Secondly, how are you going to find the mana to cast Collected Company consistently without Harabaz Druid? 20 lands doesn’t typically lend itself to hitting 4 lands on curve. The last subject is more of a quibble – given that you’re running red, I’d really like to see Bolt in here somewhere, but I’m cognizant that Path deals with threats the deck can’t otherwise handle, and thus may be the better choice.

On the subject of inclusions, why is Kor Bladewhirl here (presumably) over Kazandu Blademaster? Global first strike is cute, but nothing special – if it were, Highland Berserker would have seen play in Daniel Mulato’s version. Secondly, you have 15 (!) 3-drop creatures between Firemantle Mage, Adaptive Automaton, Veteran Warleader, Kabira Evangel, and Lantern Scout – that is unprecedented when compared to most successful Modern aggro decks (including its 2 closest comps, Merfolk and Elves), and is a major departure from what Mulato’s list went for (14 2-drops, 8 3+ drops) – you basically have to have a hand with an AEther Vial, or you risk getting stuck. Utility creatures are only helpful once your aggro base is established, and given that Akoum Bladesinger’s pump is only temporary (and does not give global haste), Hada Freeblade alone does not an aggro deck make.

I’m sorry if this comes off as overly critical, but I think this deck has some big time questions to answer before it can be taken as a serious first draft. 3-drop-centric Vial aggro decks have been done time and time again, and they haven’t worked. Why will this one be any different? Furthermore, Allies have a multitude of beefy 2-drops available, and you can pick and choose from the support creatures you have outlined here to get them there. Why not do that instead?

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By: TGaggles https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/rally-to-the-ally-cause/#comment-2122223 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:29:36 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4710#comment-2122223 Hey broski! Awesome ideas here. I think a consideration for Atarka’s Command might be needed, or at the least discussion as to why you wouldn’t have it make the cut. The anthem effect seems great when going wide with a deck like this, the bolt gives a little more reach (similar to Boros Charm), and the stopping lifegain might be relevant at times. The worst mode on it is the extra land, but with a deck like this, it may come up on occasion to power out combo-type kills the following turn thanks to an additional mana.

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