Comments on: Trevor Holmes Plays MTGO: Jund Midrange https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:04:22 +0000 hourly 1 By: Kim Josefsen https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122254 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 20:04:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122254 Enjoyed the videos, looking forward to more!

In the absence of a formal poll, may I nominate a playthrough with Infect?

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122253 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:47:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122253 In reply to Anonymous.

I think you’re misinterpreting my comment. Given that Bob already draws you cards, Tasigur’s activation isn’t quite as impressive (he used it once that I saw, and it didn’t move the needle when he did). Hence, I was wondering if Trevor would consider swapping it for a Gurmag Angler (more power) or a Huntmaster (less painful to flip, gains life, brings extra bodies). I’ve opted for Huntmaster, and I’ve been pretty happy with it.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122252 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:01:34 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122252 Hey
Just wanted to say these are execellent videos. Usually i’m on Channelfireball for watching matches.
I think your thought processing and walk through during the games were great. I learned a lot, and i dont even play Jund.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122251 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 04:17:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122251 Hey great series! Excited to watch the rest of them. Been playing Jund proxied up when playtesting with friends and some lines I wasn’t sure about:

Match 1 Game 2: I’m not sure I would play into the Remands. I’d consider trying to strand them in his hand as we have an active Bob and he desperately needs to hit a land to have a chance. On the turn in question we know his hand is: Remand, Remand, Snapcaster, Snapcaster, unknown. The only combination of cards I’m upset to see if I just go, attack with Bob, land, pass, is EOT Bolt he draws and plays a land, pass. You go with Tasigur, gets Remanded, and as you say “he has a decent opportunity to draw out of this now” after you Thoughtseize and I think that may have been because you gave him an extra draw with Remand. I’d consider not even Thoughtseizing him until he hits that 3rd land. What do you think about that line?

Match 2 Game 2: Why Abrupt Decay in response to Exarch tapping your land? Is there any argument to play Stomping Ground untapped and pass? You have a Bob and a Liliana in play with an Inquisition on the stack. I guess if he draws Electrolyze he can get you pretty good, attack with Liliana with Exarch, you don’t block, Electrolyze your board. I always wonder about forcing your opponent to go for the Splinter Twin for the blowout versus just removing Exarch immediately. Do you have any thoughts on that?

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122250 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 21:32:33 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122250 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Not sure why’d you want Gurmag Angler over Tasigur if your concern is Bob. Also considering Gurmag doesn’t draw you cards.

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By: avery61 https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122249 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 21:20:27 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122249 In reply to Anonymous.

Agree here ~ I do like to watch without spoilers. Adding it at the end satisfies everyone/ with the SB summary.

Enjoyed the article/vids and also a convert to the Abbot plan.

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By: Michael Jones https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122248 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 19:33:22 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122248 I enjoyed watching those while doing the housework. It did seem though there was a lot of time of you talking and not playing when you could have been moving the game forward by making plays as you talked about them.

The main area I need to improve on is Sideboarding so when you do a summary it would be nice to see a list of cards you added/removed rather than only having it in the video.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122247 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:27:51 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122247 In reply to Will Krueger.

Thanks man! I can’t decide if I want to record a video with that list now, or maybe wait until after BFZ so we can see if Gideon, Ally of Zendikar fits into the list. Decisions, decisions.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122246 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:26:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122246 In reply to Anonymous.

I’m sure I’ll record a Grixis vid eventually, but probably after a little while as about half of my articles have been about Grixis. U/R Twin, or maybe Grixis Twin if I feel like cheating seem like interesting decks that I might record with soon. Thanks!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122245 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:25:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122245 In reply to Charles Ching.

Sounds great! Affinity is definitely a deck I want to pilot in the near future, and I think a video will be helpful as there are a lot of interesting lines/sequencing that might not be immediately apparent that are worth talking through. Thanks for the suggestion!

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122244 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:23:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122244 In reply to Anonymous.

Excellent points, thanks for all the suggestions! That makes perfect sense and I can see how basically all removal, even narrow options, are necessary because as you said, that’s the only way we lose the matchup is if we don’t draw our removal. The matchup seems very favorable for Jund assuming our removal light/Lightning Bolt draw doesn’t line up against their Spellskite draw. Thanks for the tips!

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122243 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:42:12 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122243 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

I’ve found Hangerback Walker to be a great option over the Abbot.

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By: Charles Ching https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122242 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:44:56 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122242 Hi Trevor, thanks for taking time to do such a video to guide people along in their play. Could you do one of such primer for affinity? I think currently many player are unsure of the interaction of arcbound ravage, cranial plating and such. you could do an interaction explanation, tempo explanation, sideboard plan and weakness and fear that you have while piloting this deck and also how player can defeat this deck since it is a big part of the meta and more or less a pillar in modern. I have pilot affinity for almost a year and even then I still realized that there are some interaction is possible or not possible. also in game 2 and 3, how to control my tempo in certain match up and what to look out for and such. I think it will be helpful for players to know and understand the deck better. cheers.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122241 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 05:27:49 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122241 Hey Trevor, great videos!

I’m not a great Jund player by any means but I do have a lot of experience with the Infect matchup. I feel like you under-sideboarded a bit for it. Basically, as Brad Nelson said, “you win the matchup if you don’t lose”. If you can keep them from killing you, you will get there with Bob/Goyf beats and don’t really need additional threats that much.

My general plan is to side in any and all relevant removal – this includes Ancient Grudge and Fulminator, since Inkmoth Nexus is usually the most problematic creature. I also like an Anger of the Gods or two, since it clears the board of annoying Hierarchs. Most of the time I lose to Infect it’s not against the super fast turn 1 Elf + tons of pump spells draws, but rather against the multiple Inkmoth + multiple Hierarch draws. Siding in artifact removal/Fulminators as well as ways to deal with Hierarchs help a lot against these kinds of draws. You also have to watch out for Spellskite as it will be bad news if your hand is bolt-heavy. Ancient Grudge answers a Skite very well. Night of Soul’s Betrayal locks them out of the game, if you are running it.

For cuts I usually begin with Tasigur, as you pointed out he is clunky and slow and really not necessary in this matchup. Scooze is also fairly underwhelming because his lifegain is irrelevant most of the time, and he does nothing against 2/3 of their creatures. On the draw, Liliana can actually be a bit lackluster as well because of her edict getting blanked by Hierarch and her inability to deal with Inkmoth.

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By: Will Krueger https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122240 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 01:35:34 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122240 Hey Trevor! Love the videos. I’m the dude from the stream who plays BW tokens in modern, and you said to leave a comment here if we had a deck recommendation for you, so here you go lol.

Here’s my list: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=91777

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122239 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 22:07:55 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122239 I actually had a great time watching these videos and reading the little notes in your article. Great work Trevor.

I would like to see some UR / Grixis action in the near future.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122238 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:44:00 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122238 Nice article. You’ve convinced me to at least give the Abbots a try over Olivia Voldaren (anything that makes Bob less painful will always get traction with me). Speaking of which, I also wasn’t terribly impressed with the singleton Tasigur given that you have Bob (was just a big beater) – have you considered swapping it for the likes of Gurmag Angler or even a Huntmaster of the Fells? I’ve been running sans Tasigur for a while now, and I’ve been pretty happy with the results.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122237 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:10:57 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122237 In reply to Trevor Holmes.

It’s a good suggestion, but I’d add that if you want to have a summary like this it should be at the very bottom of the article. Some of us who do want to watch the videos would prefer not to have “spoilers”.

I’m very glad that you’re doing this video series btw, it will be great to have more video resources available in addition to Channel Fireball and SCG.

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By: Trevor Holmes https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122236 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:07:38 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122236 In reply to Darcy Hartwick.

Great suggestion, will definitely do this in the future. The goal is to have the text be a supplement to the videos, but I am aware of the desire to have a “snapshot” of results/main points in text. Thanks!

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By: Darcy Hartwick https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/trevor-holmes-plays-mtgo-jund-midrange/#comment-2122235 Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:05:47 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4712#comment-2122235 I don’t know how much you can/want to cater these articles to people who don’t want to watch the videos, but as little as just adding your opponent’s deck and the match result next to the round would provide some value for those (probably few) of us who fall in this category.

i.e.
Round 1: 2-1 vs Temur Twin
Round 2: 0-2 vs whatever

etc.

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