Comments on: Wheel of Fortune: Riding the Archetype Spectrum https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Sun, 13 Sep 2015 06:33:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122050 Sun, 13 Sep 2015 06:33:19 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122050 In reply to Rory Alexander Farrell-Madden McDonough.

I was just writing how I think ‘Folk decks should sideboard against Monkey. In the article I state that most of them don’t side this way and the matchup becomes very easy for me as a result. This article is more about theory and the ‘Folk thing was just an example; it’s not a Merfolk vs. Monkey Grow primer.

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122049 Tue, 08 Sep 2015 03:57:15 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122049 In reply to Anonymous.

Luckily, you don’t have to:

“In this article, I use Aggro-Control hybrid archetypes (Tempo and Midrange) to explore the many options these decks have, and omit Combo decks, which frequently inhabit another axis entirely.”

I also explained that Combo was on a different wheel in my last article.

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By: Anonymous https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122048 Mon, 07 Sep 2015 21:34:13 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122048 I’m going to assume that combo decks have a different wheel entirely

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122047 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 05:01:16 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122047 In reply to Jordan Boisvert.

I would disagree with your notion that Kite is bad, because even if artifact hate comes in, anything that targets it usually can’t take Chalice or AEther Vial along with it. A Kite dying to hate in place of those isn’t a terrible outcome, and it combos well with Kira. Pyroclasm also isn’t too concerning as a Merfolk deck, since it’s quite easy to hold Cursecatchers up for it and/or get your Lords to the point where 2 damage only kills Kira. All in all, I’ve never really had problems with any deck that runs Islands as Merfolk, and Delver is no exception.

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By: Rory Alexander Farrell-Madden McDonough https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122046 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 04:15:25 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122046 Hmm, yeah, not sure I’d say the Merfolk deck is explicitly going more aggro unless going heavy tempo counts? With the deck you gave as an example, I’d do the following games 2 and 3:

REMOVE 4 Spreading Seas + 2 Spell Pierce + 2 Reejerey. Seas doesn’t do enough as Roland mentioned, since you already run Islands. Spell Pierce really only cares about removal and dispel is better for that anyway. Reejerey just usually gets cut to make room for better stuff.

ADD 3 Tidebinder + 2 Relic, + 1 Dismemeber + 2 Dispel. Tidebinder is just an auto include against any deck looking to swing with green or red creatures, as it’s a classic 2 for 1 if not removed. Relic goes in against pretty much any deck it’s relevant against it because it can have an impact and be easily cycled. Dismember hits all your creatures (including the dreaded hunt master) and dispel is great at protecting high value creatures (usually lords).

So really the deck just cuts chaff to become more responsive, the goal being to kill or bounce the opponent’s creatures and counter the odd threat to buy yourself time to build a board state and swing for lethal. Honestly, the preboard Merfolk is already pretty aggro so it’s very difficult to go even further down that path.

I might be missing something here though. Would you consider that sideboard more aggro? Is that how you would sideboard as fish?

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By: Jordan Boisvert https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122045 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 03:58:45 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122045 In reply to Roland F. Rivera Santiago.

Actually, I don’t think they side properly against me, as I said in the article. If they moved closer to the red dot by increasing their threat density (with Harbingers, Tidebinders, etc.) the post-board matchup wouldn’t be such a cakewalk for my Huntmasters. I’m just saying that that’s how they SHOULD side in the matchup.

I usually see a lot of Skite and Kira from them, which matches the description of how you’d board. This sideboard plan never works against Monkey Grow. We have plenty of artifact removal post-board, so Skite is horrible, and Kira opens Merfolk up to Pyroclasm blowouts (unless I need to, I’ll save Pyro for her). Chalice also doesn’t bother us much since we have interaction for it and it gives us more time to get Huntmaster online. Plus, we run significantly less one-drops post-board.

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By: Roland F. Rivera Santiago https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/09/wheel-of-fortune-riding-the-archetype-spectrum/#comment-2122044 Fri, 04 Sep 2015 19:58:26 +0000 http://34.200.137.49/?p=4334#comment-2122044 I like the idea of this article and I think your axes are well defined, but I have some quibbles regarding the Grow v. Fish matchup. I’m wondering what exactly Merfolk players sideboard against you to make you consider them more of an aggro deck post-board. Personally, if I see the likes of Goyf and Mandrills in a Delver shell, I’m going heavy on the control side – Tidebinder Mage to control those green creatures, Kira (and possibly Spellskite) to ward off removal, as well as Chalice of the Void to stuff all that 1-mana cantrip spam. Spreading Seas goes to the board because you already have Islands, Harbinger of the Tides goes to the board because Tidebinder’s effect is better, and Spell Pierce goes to the board because Chalice will have a more consistent impact. That may result in more creatures in your 60, but I wouldn’t say the deck is more of an aggro deck because of it.

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