Comments on: Sportsmanship and the Dreaded “Good Game” https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/ Play More, Win More, Pay Less Tue, 03 May 2016 04:15:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Blackjack Gluecksspiel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1685569 Tue, 03 May 2016 04:15:04 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1685569 Jetzt wird Glücksspiel weg nur ein paar Mausklicks sein, zwanzig

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By: Lucas https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1514906 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:02:26 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1514906 TL;DR version for ya’ll.

Brian gets his feelings hurt easily when he loses. How dare you say good game to me when I’m already steaming!?!? TRIGGERED!!!!

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By: Jack Brown https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1475122 Fri, 06 Nov 2015 23:14:14 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1475122 In reply to Luca Ashok.

I say well played, how you play is the one thing you can control when your deck is against you.

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By: Fat Mike https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1474834 Fri, 06 Nov 2015 19:59:52 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1474834 I don’t say GG, I cut that “GOOD” right out of there. I want there to be no mistake about the kind of jacka** I am. I have been doing the numotthenummy thing and now just completely ignore any sense of sportsmanship. I now scream GAAAAAME but ONLY when I win, just like Kenji.

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By: Luca Ashok https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1454874 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:06:12 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1454874 I say “bad luck” when I beat someone and it is apparent to both of us that my opponent got unlucky. I think it is way preferable to “good game” in that situation.

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By: ColleenN https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1454472 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:33:40 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1454472 In reply to Tommy Fritz.

Who are we to judge a complete stranger’s choice of emotional investment? I can think of some very good reasons to care a lot about the game. Also, mature does not mean “does not visibly feel any negative emotions ever”. Taking time to “process” is something loads of people do in loads of situations, and it absolutely does not imply a lower maturity level.

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By: Mike lints https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1452313 Wed, 28 Oct 2015 02:05:06 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1452313 Very well done article. I agree with all point. I generally Hate gg. I try my best to help my opponents who are mad about the loss by seeing why they lost, and giving them deck advice or draft pick advice to make sure they win next time, or point out how close the game was, and how worried you were at such and such point.

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By: Jason Alt https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1449279 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 05:37:54 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1449279 This was a good one to unlock

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By: Zoey https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1449142 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 03:54:19 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1449142 This is a joke right? The author of this page is just full of salt in my opinion.

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By: Chris https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1449131 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 03:47:43 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1449131 In reply to Josh.

Sometimes late in a tournament, maybe you are playing for Open series points or something to that effect, or better standings for a top 8 or something, basically if you and your opponent have a good enough record to top 8 it’s not abnormal to ask someone to concede. They can always refuse (maybe because they do really need to play it out), but if you ran into them before and it was negative, they probably wouldn’t.

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By: Josh Knoebel https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448957 Tue, 27 Oct 2015 01:13:55 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448957 I like to use “Best of luck the rest of the weekend” at big tournaments if I knock someone out of the running. They might be out of the main event, but by including the whole weekend, you catch side events and other games/trading they may take part of.

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By: Josh https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448859 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:51:48 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448859 what do you mean when you say “you never know when you might need to request a scoop?”

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By: robert bixler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448827 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:25:49 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448827 In reply to Ryan Overturf.

In this case you do not know the preferences of your audience (your opponent). If you have never met them before, and know nothing about them, then what do you do? That’s why we have conventions, like saying “Hello” in greeting, and “Goodbye” in parting. It’s similarly expected by some number of people that we say “Good game” or an equivalent when ending the game. It’s also feasible that someone would consider the lack of “Good game” to be offensive.

“Good game” or an equivalent also serves as a signal that you acknowledge that the game is over when it is said in response to a scoop or a concession of some sort. This is similar to how you would say “ok” to pass permission back to your opponent.

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By: Ryan Overturf https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448734 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 22:02:59 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448734 In reply to Andy Moore.

Good communication is adjusted to the audience. What you mean is rarely what matters.

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By: James https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448648 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:56:44 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448648 I was raised to say “good game,” but with the understanding that it didn’t necessarily mean that the game was good. It meant that you played to the best of YOUR abilities. Even if the player played like crap and missed some plays, they probably weren’t taught to watch for things like that or are just not cut out to play against a player like you. I always try to make an attempt to let the loser know that I mean it when I say it.

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By: Adam https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448578 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:58:17 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448578 Great article and never really thought about how this applied to Magic but really have considered it in regards to bowling tournaments lately. No one likes to hear Good Game/Good Bowling when they played like crap or just got ran out of the water. I’ve moved to saying something to comment on the experience rather than the outcome. It’s probably a lot less daggers when someone says “It was nice to meet you, good luck in future rounds” than GGs + handshake, sign this slip for me?, cya round

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By: robert bixler https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448546 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:39:24 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448546 In reply to Anthony Garritano.

Just because it is more common does not mean that “Good game” is necessarily less insincere than another euphemism. There are a lot of other factors that enter into it beyond the words themselves, such as tone and body language (isn’t a majority of communication body language any way?)

It may be that at the moment “Good game” is more loaded than other euphemisms, but I can imagine with the (im)proper tone and body language that both “Thanks for the games” and “Well played” can be just as abrasive.

Due to time commitments I’ve played more Hearthstone than Magic in the past year, and I think there is a higher chance that I would flinch at a “Well played” than a “Good game”. If I exist, then there are likely others like me.

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By: Anthony Garritano https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448488 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:20:01 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448488 In reply to Adam Hunt.

I really like this! I often say ‘Thanks for the games,’ because even if you beat the crap out of me or vice versa I got to play Magic, and I *am* thankful for that.

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By: Andy Moore https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448429 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:07:45 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448429 I think “good game” is mostly fine. It may be a bit generic, but I’m not going to recite a short sonnet about the fickle nature of victory or pick out a phrase based on what I think will offend my opponent the least if I’ve won. If nothing else, it can serve as an icebreaker to a dialogue with an opponent that would have otherwise sat completely silent while we both packed up our shit and died a little on the inside.

I’ve seen a lot of discussion about this, and I think the idea of “don’t say it if you won” or “don’t say it if there were non-games” is flawed and bad. “Good game” does not translate to “I think, sir or madam, we can both agree that these games were adequately competitive and we are both satisfied with the result.” It’s an agreed upon way to display good sportsmanship regardless of the outcome. If hearing it after a game makes you angry, then you are probably a bit salty.

Is there a better phrase than “good game” that can perfectly display that you are trying to be courteous and sportsmanlike? I’m sure there is, but the English language is not perfect and sometimes you are stuck with de facto phrases that everyone understands. Plus, like I said, it should often just be a preamble to further discussion if both players are willing.

I actually agree with most of the stuff in this article (I often give it a minute or two before saying good game, for example) but I do think saying “good game” is fine in a majority of situations.

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By: Mark Nestico https://www.quietspeculation.com/2015/10/insider-sportsmanship-and-the-dreaded-good-game/#comment-1448422 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:06:29 +0000 http://www.quietspeculation.com/?p=66940#comment-1448422 I’ve almost entirely replaced “good game” with “best of luck the rest of the tournament.” I find it is just generic enough to not rub in any poor draws or “non” games of Magic.

That being said, if they are receptive to it, I will always offer a handshake. If they seem dejected, angry, and are tilting off I’ll refrain. I believe tact is important- knowing when decorum can be upheld and when to leave well enough alone.

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